ALERT: 🚨This episode is NOT SAFE for corporate Kool-Aid drinkers! 🚨
Jamie Dimon is leaking (not like that… we think). Klarna is lying (again), and Sasquatch is now moonlighting as an economic forecaster. What’s next? LinkedIn turning into a Tinder knockoff? Oh, wait… that already happened.
Chad, Cheese, and Emi break down the latest insanity in the world of work, leadership tantrums, and AI-driven BS.
Buckle up, buttercup. It’s gonna be a ride. 🎢🔥
PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION
Joel (00:31.822)
Once upon a time we were falling in love, now we're only falling apart. Hi kids, it's the Chad and Cheese Podcast. I'm your co-host, Joel, the Dictator Cheeseman.
Chad (00:41.7)
This is Chad, is that a banana in your tailpipe or are you just happy to see me sew wash?
Emi B (00:46.596)
This is Emmy. I'm definitely happy to see you, Berydugo.
Joel (00:52.482)
And on this episode, Jamie Diamond leaks, Klarna lies, and Sasquatch scares the bejesus out of everyone on this podcast. Let's do this.
Chad (01:06.522)
Okay, I get home the best thing. You see, Emmy is, she's in Europe and that kind of makes me sad because I'm not in Europe, but when I come home, I get gifts. I get gifts. So this was waiting for me. This is from our friend Tracy Parsons from Flockety. Joel, I think you got one too. Los Angeles Distillery. Apparently this has won some awards. So I can't wait. High tide, straight right. Thank you.
Joel (01:06.624)
Emmy's in the house!
Emi B (01:08.098)
Whoop whoop whoop! Guess who's back!
Joel (01:13.218)
The tide is...
Joel (01:18.253)
huh.
Emi B (01:19.257)
Ooh!
Chad (01:34.628)
Tracy Parsons and our friends over at Flock.
Joel (01:36.014)
Nothing like some LA whiskey, because nobody does it like them.
Chad (01:40.299)
I'll do it. It looks good. Looks good.
Joel (01:43.694)
So I have a question for you guys. I have question. Would you accept a LinkedIn connection request from someone whose profile picture was featuring them in a wedding dress?
Emi B (01:43.8)
very jealous.
Chad (01:53.88)
Yeah, why not?
Joel (01:54.114)
Yeah? OK. All right.
Emi B (01:56.974)
Why?
Chad (01:57.23)
You do you. You do you. Why? Why? Would you not? Would you not or what? I said, would you not or what?
Joel (02:00.652)
And it's not a wedding planner, by the way. It's not a... Do what?
Emi B (02:01.282)
Yeah.
Joel (02:06.956)
I was just, it's the first I've been on LinkedIn a long time. I've seen some crazy shit. We're going to talk about more crazy LinkedIn shit later, but I've just never seen a wedding dress. was, a little unnerving, but I I'm in the wrong because most people seem to think that it's okay.
Chad (02:09.56)
Never seen it? Okay.
Emi B (02:18.147)
It's shown in-
Emi B (02:22.34)
nothing wrong with that, know, showing a little bit of their personal life. Or did you think she was hitting on you? that what you're suggesting? Joel, will you marry me?
Joel (02:28.278)
No, was not, it was, she did not create, she did not create a profile. Although I do agree there are profiles that are clearly like, I'm sexy, but I don't, I'm not real. Connect with me and I'll try to sell you life insurance. Like I do agree that that exists, but I don't think that this particular request was, was that. okay. This is why we have this show. So I can grow, I can become a better person.
Chad (02:36.54)
yes.
Emi B (02:37.922)
Mm-hmm.
Emi B (02:47.396)
So you know that exists because you clicked on it and go, yeah, God, you're sexy. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely fine. Yeah. Absolutely. It's 2025. Yeah.
Joel (02:54.996)
and see the world from different perspectives. So thank you. Wedding dress is okay.
Chad (02:57.24)
You do you. That's mine.
Chad (03:04.932)
Yes. So.
Joel (03:07.148)
And did you guys see a, so, so Netflix little podcast talk here real quick. net Netflix is apparently looking to get into podcasting. according to this is fine. This is business insider. According to four people, this is the story. According to four people, they must be really influential people, with the, with, knowledge of the matter spoke to the company. they say that Netflix is quote, exploring potential video deals.
Chad (03:11.479)
Okay, yeah.
Emi B (03:17.304)
Mmm.
Emi B (03:22.436)
you
Joel (03:33.882)
with podcasters. know that since we've moved to YouTube, Chad, and learning that YouTube actually is now the number one spot for US listeners to find podcasts. To me, it makes perfect sense that Netflix would get into this. I assume others like maybe Facebook, maybe Reddit, maybe others will start becoming a podcast platform.
Chad (03:41.306)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (03:54.114)
Yeah, so they're looking at doing it differently, which I, and I think it's right. They're, this isn't about doing like weekly podcasts like we do. It's about premium content. And I'd like to say once again, the Chad and Cheese podcast are ahead of the game. Last year, last year we launched season one of the AI sessions, which is literally, was literally the pilot season. Had four interviews, cut it up into 11 snackable kind of, kind of episodes. It was a fucking rocket ship, which is
Joel (04:03.192)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (04:09.112)
So premium.
Joel (04:23.011)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (04:23.724)
why we're in the final throes of editing season two right now, and we've already recorded season three. So yes, we will continue to push out our Friday podcasts on YouTube, right? So you've got that kind of like that normal podcast flow on YouTube, but then you take a look at the premium stuff, like we did with the AI sessions, that's more catered to a Netflix-like audience. So needless to say, we've been, I've been pitching AI sessions
Joel (04:34.648)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (04:38.946)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (04:53.146)
types of content to other companies. had two calls this week around that because everybody loves the premium content and how deep we actually go with that. I think it's smart. I think it's smart.
Joel (04:54.753)
huh.
Joel (05:02.178)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (05:06.52)
Little, little extra, you know, little, little extra something for everybody. I'm, I'm, I'm surprised at how many I'm learning how many sort of well-known podcasters make their guests come to them. Like they'll be in Austin or New York, whatever. And the guest has to come to them, which obviously is a better setting, better production, better sort of just vibe and energy. So the best ones, that's what I expect Netflix to kind of do.
Chad (05:16.826)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (05:22.318)
Yeah. Yeah.
Joel (05:34.03)
Um, and they have a mitts power. mean, imagine you log into Netflix and there's a picture of a podcaster and what, you, they could make podcasters. They could like blow somebody up big time if someone, you know, sort of allied with, uh, with Netflix. Yep.
Chad (05:48.25)
Depends on the content, yeah. I think they could, depends on the content. What you think, Em?
Emi B (05:49.54)
And then creator. mean, look, when I heard about it, I was like, I don't really know the difference between what they're doing at the moment and, you know, doing a video podcast. Isn't this like a TV show? What is the difference? So, no, I'm interested when they say exploring, what does exploring mean? You know, I think they're going to do something a little bit different. So I get it's a good move for them because they're seeing YouTube kind of like,
Joel (06:04.896)
Mm-hmm. We don't know yet.
Emi B (06:19.042)
dominate the market and thinking, okay, I want to get into it. So what I'm thinking is that they're going to do a slight pivot to what YouTube is doing, you know, and use those kind of video podcasts to launch TV shows. So I don't know if you guys watch sweet Bobby. Have you watched sweet Bobby on night? brilliant. Please watch it. So that's a podcast came out as a podcast is about this catfishing this woman. Like I was apparently in a long-term relationship. And when I say long-term, I'm talking about six years relationship with someone that she'd never met.
Joel (06:32.184)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (06:36.174)
Hmm. No.
Emi B (06:48.684)
And then turns out this person wasn't the person she thought it was. It would turn out to be a friend. And now Netflix did a documentary on it. So I think that they're going to do something like that. Let's do a podcast, do the video podcast, use that to launch a show. That's going to, that's a differentiator to YouTube.
Chad (07:04.693)
One of the things that, so Netflix tried to get Call Her Daddy and some other podcasts and they lost and they lost the bidding war. So what they're thinking of is one of the reasons why it looks like they're going to more premium content is because they can go to Call Her Daddy and say, hey, we want you to do a special project. Continue doing the stuff that you're doing with Spotify or wherever you're at, but we want you to do a special project, which is again, kind of like the parallel that I'm running. We do this weekly show.
Emi B (07:10.572)
Mmm, yeah, that.
Emi B (07:19.844)
Mm.
Joel (07:24.248)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Emi B (07:27.982)
Just one more show, yeah.
Chad (07:33.668)
but we also have these special projects that we put together. So I think they're gonna go down that, pretty much that line of thinking because you can still get some of these very exclusive, but yet already on contract podcasters to do special, special content.
Emi B (07:40.931)
Yeah.
Joel (07:46.659)
Yeah.
Joel (07:50.008)
Yeah, that's interesting. Kind like Mr. Beast shit. Yeah. And, and not that anyone asked me, but I would like to see a Hot Ones style show with Steven McGrath doing different scotches.
Emi B (07:51.172)
I'm interested to see. Yeah, 100%, yeah.
Chad (08:02.97)
yes. I agree. I agree. do agree. I do agree. Yes.
Joel (08:05.486)
Just not that anyone asked me, but that's what I like to see. And speaking of Stephen McGrath.
Emi B (08:06.681)
Yeah
Chad (08:13.079)
It is.
Joel (08:13.354)
It is time for shout outs. Emmy, what you got?
Emi B (08:16.42)
Right, so I woke up this morning, did my usual thing of opening my iPhone. I've got a brand new iPhone, by the way. It's iPhone 16 Pro Max, love it. And open up TikTok. Yes, I'm so happy. And you know what I heard? Do, do, do, do. They're not like us. They're not like us. Does this mean anything to you? Okay, so if it doesn't mean anything to the audience, Will Ferrell was on the SNL 50th anniversary.
Chad (08:39.034)
Mmm.
Emi B (08:44.612)
doing some kind of remake of Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us. It was amazing. And I'm not a Will Ferrell fan. I was pissing myself laughing. I was like, what the hell is this? I must have played it on repeat over again. So Will Ferrell, you are my shout out for this week.
Joel (08:44.942)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (08:58.362)
Well, and why this is so timely is because Kendrick Lamar just did the Super Bowl, right? That was one, that song was the one that they couldn't believe that he actually sang about Drake being a pedophile, right? So very timely, yes, very timely, very smart, Will Ferrell jumps on it. And if you've ever seen SNL, if you haven't seen this, Will Ferrell has this...
Emi B (09:04.055)
Loved it!
Emi B (09:09.474)
Yeah! Drake! I know. Did you see the smile though?
Yeah.
Genius.
Chad (09:23.578)
this music teacher kind of skit that he has with this. can't remember who the lady is, but she looks like an old music teacher and he looks like a music teacher and they're just singing like these new songs, which is when they started, I was like, holy shit, this is like on point. It was awesome. It was awesome.
Emi B (09:28.866)
Yeah. Yeah!
Emi B (09:36.268)
It's amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. They were trying to like hit that A minor, but it was like, A minor, A minor, A minor. Like honestly, please watch it. It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Chad (09:43.213)
Yeah
Joel (09:47.832)
Hot mic, hot mic. Was that one, that's the one? Okay, I do know that skit.
Chad (09:49.562)
Wow.
Joel (09:54.52)
By the way, as someone who has been alive for most of SNL's history, what an amazing feat that they've had. That show has been the same format more or less for 50 years and it just works. yeah, shout out to them. I watched a lot of it, not that part, obviously, but it's quite a feat to go that long and have the same format and still be successful. So a small shout out to SNL for sure.
Chad (09:59.098)
Mm.
Emi B (10:06.094)
Really? Yeah.
Emi B (10:11.16)
Okay.
Chad (10:14.606)
Yeah. Yeah. 50 years. Jesus. Yeah. Well, I've got a shout out to our friend, Jason Putnam. Go ahead and play that beautiful beam footage, Joel.
Emi B (10:18.678)
Yes.
Joel (10:26.626)
Jason Putnam.
Joel (11:01.122)
All right.
Chad (11:01.764)
So a new CEO in the space. Jason's been in the space for a very long time. He's been mainly on good market revenue driving side of the house now. He's gonna be driving pretty much the ship there at Vetti. I do love the background though. I love the Captain America shield, the Thor hammer. Yeah, he's...
Joel (11:24.042)
Yeah. It's like big, it's like big two featuring Jason Putnam instead of Tom Hanks. first, first bit of a device is CEO. Now you have to get a decent mic because you can't, can't do those talk in the computer stuff anymore. You got to get a good mic.
Chad (11:36.6)
Yeah, that's where your marketing person, hint, hint, needs to square you away. Let's get this done.
Joel (11:41.866)
Antent wink wink, yeah.
Emi B (11:42.212)
You
Hmm?
Joel (11:47.458)
By the way, little known fact about Jason Putnam. He spent time at job Fox for the old timers in the industry, actually time at job Fox and Oodle. If you want to go real, real deep cut on that one. Yeah, that is a deep cut because, because we, we go deep here on the show. Everybody. All right. My, my shout out goes out to, to KFC sort of a somber shout out for me. this one, this one hits home, not just because I like a good bucket of chicken, Chad. I'm.
Chad (11:54.18)
Jesus. Wow. That is a deep cut. That's a very deep cut.
Chad (12:09.614)
herbs and spices.
Chad (12:14.02)
You do. You do.
Joel (12:16.172)
I'm usually from the Louisville, Kentucky, Anna area. As if you're from the area, it's the sun always shines on Kentucky, Anna. so this, this business has been near and dear to my heart. Little known fact about me, is, that, that way back in the day, that's right. History lesson kids.
Okay. So one of my first jobs in high school, I worked at KFC. It was known as Kentucky fried chicken back then. they, they went to KFC because they wanted more of a global reach. lot of people don't know them as Kentucky fried chicken. Well, they are moving to Texas. And frankly, for me, Texas fried chicken doesn't have quite the ring that Kentucky fried chicken does. But my first job in the eighties, one of my first jobs in the eighties, I was the chicken little guy.
Emi B (12:43.79)
Yeah.
Chad (12:43.801)
Yeah.
Joel (13:04.216)
Chad, don't know if you remember chicken littles, but they were, they were, they were, they were a 39 cent sandwich. They were like a biscuit or like a roll, not, not, not more like a roll than a biscuit. And it had like a big chicken nugget, like a flat chicken nugget. had mayo and it had pickle. And these were like little chicken littles. And I, that was my job. So, so KFC, like kind of where I'm from, I still have family in the area.
Chad (13:07.047)
Tenders?
Chad (13:12.878)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Emi B (13:24.74)
That was your job.
Joel (13:30.828)
near and in my heart. I had to go back to YouTube, Chad, and I wanted to see if they had the commercial for the Chicken Littles. So sure enough, God bless YouTube, they do have the commercial. So I want to play the 30 second clip just to walk with me down memory lane, will you Chad?
Chad (13:34.49)
Chicken little.
Chad (13:47.002)
I'm there for it.
Emi B (14:04.856)
What?
Chad (14:17.569)
my god.
Joel (14:17.614)
So before you say your, your only job was chicken little's these things were 39 cents and people would roll up and order 25, 30 of these things. And I would have to make them. They were, they were delicious. a little in fact about Kentucky fried chicken, let you take the stuff home or at least they did at the end of the day. so would bring buckets home of chicken and my dad would act like it was Christmas. He'd be like, what'd you get? What'd you bring home? Like,
Chad (14:34.254)
Mm-hmm.
Emi B (14:39.684)
you
Joel (14:41.452)
I got some crispy. got some original. I got a few fries. I got the wedges. We got some biscuits. It was, I gained 15 pounds and it.
Chad (14:48.09)
You were you were the specialty guy at restaurants at McDonald's you were the McDLT guy And and you were the chicken littles guy. So you were literally like the restaurant specialist you could go you can put that on your CV. That'd be awesome
Joel (14:53.644)
McDailty guy, yeah.
Emi B (14:59.394)
I love that. Yeah.
Joel (14:59.788)
Yeah. If, if, if they ever bring that shit back, I am, I am set baby. I am set. Good God. Good God. I never brought home whiskey, as, as a high schooler though, Chad, I always wondered what whiskey, some good whiskey, some Jack Daniel's and some, some chicken would taste like. I maybe I'll have to rediscover that.
Chad (15:04.142)
Ha
Emi B (15:04.652)
You're in! I was the original!
Chad (15:07.618)
Hot side hot, cool side cool.
Chad (15:18.67)
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Joel (15:40.622)
Yeah.
Chad (15:47.972)
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Joel (15:52.216)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, Canada.
Chad (15:58.01)
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Joel (16:16.428)
That's right. Another trip around the sun for listeners. Andrew mall, Ryan Filiman, Maria and yeah, Ross Granger, Laura Washington, Jim Carragher, Rebecca Horn, Farah Rivas, Ali merges, Dan Albani, Krista Brenner, Mario, cult Mueller, Ethan Bloomfield, Mike Weston, Kate Ruddick, Dave Amos, Kevin Burgess and Charlotte Alvarez. Skull Charlotte to those people. And tonight.
Chad (16:32.73)
Excuse me.
Chad (16:40.58)
Wow. There we go.
Joel (16:45.55)
Emmy, probably don't like hockey, do you? Probably not a hockey fan kind of sorta. Ice hockey. Yes. Yes. So, so I don't know if you've kept up with this, Chad, but I, I married a Canadian. So it's, it's in my four. Like it's, it's, it's. So, so Trump has been saying some crazy shit about Canada. It's going to be the 51st state. I mean, he's, he's, said what he does. so they just created four nations, which is kind of a total ripoff of six nations rugby.
Emi B (16:48.836)
Are you talking about ice hockey or? No, we don't play, we don't do ice hockey in the UK. We do grass hockey, yeah.
Chad (16:50.468)
Yes, ice hockey.
Chad (16:59.098)
No, I've kept up with that. Yeah, I get that.
Joel (17:14.134)
And it's, Sweden, Finland, and America or the USA and Canada in this sort of hockey hockey thing. So America just played in Montreal. the Canadians booed the, the national anthem and then got their ass beat three to one, by the U S so tonight is the championship, in Boston, the USA versus Canada. So I, I can't take any more bets from the Canadians that I know about a bottle of whiskey. can't do it. I can't do it. If, the U S loses, I'm on the hook for like eight.
bottles of whiskey to my Canadian friends and family. go USA, I guess, but it's a thing here. It's a thing here.
Chad (17:52.58)
Yeah, after their loss to Sweden, they better bounce back. That's all I got to say. And bouncing back, Chad and Cheese are on the road with Shaker Recruitment Marketing. That's right, Come spend St. Patrick's Day with us. The Chad and Cheese are going to be in Las Vegas during Transform at the Wynn March 17th through the 19th. Go to chadcheese.com slash event. Register there, see us at Transform. And while you are there, also register to kick back.
chats, discussions, whatever you want to do and some free drinks with Joel and myself courtesy of Omar and the job pixel team. Just go to Chad cheese.com and on the homepage, click register and then you can get on the wait list. Yes, we're going, we're doing, we're doing the honeymoon suite honeymoon suite, no tigers, no face tattoos, although it should be a good time, free drinks, maybe some food, who knows.
Joel (18:37.708)
We're just that special kids. We have a wait list.
Emi B (18:40.611)
You are.
Joel (18:47.79)
just want Mike Tyson to show up. That's really all I...
Emi B (18:49.904)
Yeah
Chad (18:54.052)
All right, hold the presses kids, hold the presses, hold the presses, hold the presses. I just got news, a rumor that JobGet is in the acquisition mode again and they acquired a company by the name of Seasoned, which is a seasonal kind of app for, for, for, for individuals. Yeah. So yes, they are on, it sounds, sounds like JobGet is on the acquisition trail again.
Joel (18:54.582)
Alright, what, what?
Joel (19:15.64)
Makes sense.
Chad (19:23.374)
Good for them as we get more, if this rumor is true, we'll get more information and we will light it up next week.
Joel (19:32.302)
Yep, it's just a rumor kids.
Chad (19:35.61)
I got teased. got a tease too.
Emi B (19:38.436)
Yeah
Joel (19:39.502)
All right, let's get to some real news. Well, somewhere DJ Saul is having a good time because JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon is on the hot seat this week. He leaked some audio that one of his loyal employees, I guess, recorded and decided to put out into the world about his opinions on work from home. Take a listen, kids, and we'll get your opinion on the other side.
Emi B (22:29.86)
Hmmmm
Joel (22:30.03)
All right, Chad, Jamie is fired up. Your thoughts.
Chad (22:30.458)
Huh.
So, mean, you gotta, first and foremost, apparently working seven days a week pisses you off. But no, seriously, I mean, what sent Diamond into this OK boomer tirade? This from the Economic Times, quote, during the town hall, this town hall we just listened to, Nicholas Welch, an analyst in tech ops at JPMorgan Chase, who had worked.
past tense with the company since 2017 asked Diamond whether managers could have the discretion to decide on office attendance for their teams. He explained that his seven member team spread across different countries and time zones found physical office presence irrelevant to productivity. The suggestion was met with loud applause from the from his colleagues end quote. So Welch was fired after a Daymond's or Diamond's tirade.
and then rehired because I assume HR understands that retaliation isn't good for optics or plays well in the US court system. But instead of looking at this as an RTO thing, I believe it's more of a leadership discussion. Diamond is a product of the late 1800s management philosophy. Punch the clock, work 40 hours, preferably more than 40 hours. Leaders like that look at employees.
like cogs in a machine, not like people. Yeah, they might say hello in the morning, slap you on the back after a big sale, but they really don't give a damn about you. Diamond is an old dog that doesn't want to learn new tricks. And that's his prerogative. But it's also an employee's prerogative, as he said, not to work there. Seems fair, right? If an employee wants JPMorgan Chase on their CV, they know what to expect. Bullpen, long hours, burnout in two years. Now, what I believe
Chad (24:24.344)
is exciting about this whole, you know, these types of boomer moments is the distinction of leaders in companies like CEOs, Spotify CEO, Daniel Eck, who says, we treat our employees like adults, which means work from wherever you want, just get shit done. That's a big difference from Diamond who believes iron fist micromanagement versus Eck who believes freedom to allow Spotify workers to get shit done wherever they live and enjoy the goddamn lies.
I also believe, tell me what you think about this, Emmy. I also believe that we're going to see more women CEOs lean heavily into the, act, treat your employees like adults model because women understand more than men how hard it is to run a household and a fucking job at the same time. So in the end, both models are gonna, are gonna stay in the market with subtle tweaks with hybrid work. I don't think one model wins over the other. just gives us.
Emi B (24:55.588)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (25:22.946)
more opportunity of choice. What do we want?
Emi B (25:23.684)
Options. Yeah. Yeah. Now I agree. And I'm just going to start by saying this guy is the definition of the type of leader that I absolutely can't fucking stand. I cannot. He is living in the fucking dark ages. You know, like, and I get it. You said it like he comes from, you know, 1800s or whatever. I think he is, you know, who wants in his day and age to work seven days a week?
Why do you need to work seven days a week? Why can't you get your stuff shit done, you know, in five days a week, in nine to five? Yeah. Is he modeling efficiency? No, probably not. You know, is he... No, it's like, why can't you get your shit done? You run in a company. Yeah. Why do have to work seven days a week to get everything done? You know, does he think that JP Morgan is such a big brand name that everyone is going to want to work in that type of environment, no matter what, just to get it on his resume? Yeah, he does.
Chad (26:03.182)
Not working seven days a week, he's not. Yeah.
Joel (26:19.928)
Yes, he does.
Chad (26:21.198)
Kids,
Emi B (26:22.02)
And it's like, watch, watch. When he said that, you know, people can walk out, they are going to walk out. When the market picks up and the other opportunities of recruiters come knocking at the door, other organizations come knocking at the door, they're going to walk out and then he's going to be fucked because he's going to have a hiring problem because their employer brand is now tarnished. And I just don't think he gets that. He's not thinking about it. Like you said, he thinks of his employees.
cogs in a wheel instead of actually humans. He's not treating them as actually humans who are adults who can deliver without this kind of micro management control freak personality that he is. You know, so I think he's, yeah. 100%.
Joel (27:07.968)
I found this really fascinating. I think, I think part of the pushback is how we said it and not what he said. the seven days a week is ridiculous and everyone that watched that was like, yeah. And what was your salary? What was your take home last year? if I made that, I probably would work seven, seven days a week too. when, when COVID happened and everyone was work from home and we're never going back and this is the way that the world is going to be. think Chad and I both wondered, no, it's going to be something.
Emi B (27:16.226)
Hmm.
Chad (27:20.356)
Yeah.
Joel (27:36.952)
hype, it's going to be something, a mix of that. And what is it going to look like? And some companies will be remote only. Some will be at the office all the time and some will be, hybrid to me. Hybrid isn't remote because you have to still be where the company is to have that job. So that that's always been a struggle for me, but it seems to me that the way it's shaking out is if you're a big company, particularly a public company, I think Spotify is an outlier. Your ass is in the office.
Emi B (27:38.403)
Amen.
Joel (28:06.764)
I think it's going be really hard going forward for a big company that's publicly traded to have a hybrid or work from home environment. If you're a frontline worker, you've never had the option. You got to go to the factory. You got to go to the warehouse. You got to the restaurant. What did the dry cleaner like? It's never been an option for you. It seems like the sweet spot for that remote opportunity, if you're not just a gigger or have your own thing going is to be with a startup and ideally startup that is a technology startup.
Emi B (28:16.804)
Mm.
Joel (28:34.702)
if you're just starting out to get any kind of decent talent, you're going to have to have remote work. You're going to have to have that option to, to recruit those kinds of folks. So I think that's where we're shaking out as a, as least as a country, don't know as a world, how we're going. The other thing that I think that the jury still out on is the impact on young people. He says that young people are being hurt by this. They can't get in the office. certainly some.
young people don't need an office. They can grow and get mentorship and do things otherwise. So I think for young people coming out of college, they're going to have to understand who do I have to work for to get the environment that I want? And for a lot of them, it's going to be, I want JP Morgan on my CV. I'm willing to do two years and slave drive and do whatever it takes. And then others will say like, that's not for me. I want to go work for a startup and I'm willing to take the risk because it's remote and I get stock options. So the.
Emi B (29:11.838)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Chad (29:18.745)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (29:28.268)
The opportunities are becoming really clear and the lanes are getting set into terms of what kind of company you are. think as a business, you have to decide who are we? Are we get your ass in the office or are we Spotify? And everyone's a grownup and they can do the job that they're expected to do.
Chad (29:43.258)
You have to, you have to also develop your leaders to know how to manage those individuals. And that's one of the biggest issues that we've talked about for a while now is that we put people into management positions who have no fucking clue how to manage people. They're not people people, right? There were great individual contributors who had nowhere else to go because they already hit their senior whatever level and they had to go into management. And that just really with no background, no
Emi B (29:48.897)
in a remote environment.
Joel (30:00.759)
Yeah.
Chad (30:13.174)
education. I mean, no, it just doesn't make any sense. So what we have to do, and what these companies don't want to do like Jamie Dimon doesn't want to actually pay for his managers to go get developed to be able to learn how to manage people. He's telling you right now, I'm a micromanager, I'm going to tell you how to manage them. And you're going to be looking over the shoulder why they're in the office, right? So that's going to be the distinction. A lot of people are going with this all or none kind of scenario.
Joel (30:14.307)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (30:34.766)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (30:42.668)
I see that there are going to be tons of gray areas where some companies are going to be, hey, you can work from home, but if you'd like, we've got remote offices that you can go to, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You're going to be able to find what works for you. And it all comes down to outcomes. You're either doing your job or you're fucking fired.
Joel (30:45.454)
Yeah.
Joel (30:54.338)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (31:02.444)
Yeah. And I think that initially we, thought that technology would be a silver bullet in this process. The companies that launched back in COVID days with deal and remote and oyster. think a lot of people thought, this is the magic bullet. Like we'll be able to manage the tech will like everything will be technology based. And I don't, I think that promise didn't come to fruition or hasn't come to fruition yet. yeah, Chad, that's hard.
Chad (31:14.586)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (31:30.862)
Developing people, learning to lead like that is hard. And the easier, the easier thing to do is like, just get your bass back in the office. Let's go back to the way that it was. What I do wonder is, will we be willing to sacrifice our privacy to be remote? In other words, will we eventually technology will come around where we're going to see, look at everything that you do, every keystroke, we're to have a camera on you all the time. Like we're going to have a thing and planning in your brain. There's not, but I think.
Chad (31:33.688)
money.
Chad (31:57.24)
No reason for that. There's no reason for that.
Emi B (31:59.428)
I don't think that's gonna happen. I, yeah.
Joel (32:00.78)
I think companies will do that and that'll be the justification. You're remote.
Chad (32:02.682)
I agree, but it doesn't, it doesn't need to. mean, again, it's, it's end state, right? It's I get, so even if you're working in an office and when I built sales teams, we use Salesforce. I could see activity that was happening at the end of the day. I could see what's going on. So on and so forth. I don't need to keystrokes. I don't care where they're going on the web. I don't need any of this shit. Yeah.
Emi B (32:23.48)
You just need to see the output. Yeah. I mean, what I would say is I don't think it's that Jamie Diamond doesn't know how to lead or manage, you know, because he's, he's a CEO. He's obviously successful. So he's done well so far. What he's not good at is adapting to the current day and age and the current day and age requires people to learn how to manage people either remotely or in a hybrid fashion. And that's what he doesn't want to do. Then that's a new skillset. And that, is what's hard to learn.
Joel (32:24.664)
Yeah.
Emi B (32:53.348)
And I remember, you know, I, you know, when I, cause I used to live and work in the middle East and we were in the office, we were in the office all the time. But then when I came back to the UK during COVID, I was like, how do I manage a team when I don't know what they're doing? Some of my team members are pretty new to their role in recruiting. How am going to train someone up remotely? And it was hard because there were no resources. was nowhere, no one to teach me how to do that. And it was trial and error.
literally trial and error to get there. Now, yeah, we're four years in and unfortunately, this is the new reality. This is what people are asking for. And people like Jamie Dimon, they're gonna get phased out. He's not gonna be around forever. You know, I heard rumors that, you know, apparently he's gonna retire soon. So I'm hoping that's case, you know? And then somebody else younger, more. I mean, hopefully he's not listening to this. But hopefully somebody else more forward thinking in time with it, like the current day.
Chad (33:24.708)
Brave New World.
Emi B (33:50.936)
with new skills and how to manage in this hybrid remote environment, we'll come in and take over the companies like JP Morgan.
Chad (33:55.524)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (33:57.922)
Yeah. It's also a heightened level of, of if you want to have a work in the office company, you better have an awesome employment brand or just a brand in general, because people are more likely to go to chase or JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs or Google because of the brand. Like I'll suck it up and go to the office because I can put that on my LinkedIn profile or my CV. So if you, if you're a company, it's like getting the office, you better work on that employment brand. better be amazing.
Emi B (34:07.62)
Mmm!
Chad (34:16.377)
Yes.
Emi B (34:19.971)
See, yeah.
Emi B (34:26.98)
Mmm.
Joel (34:28.334)
Let's take a quick break and, talk about some more corporate shit.
Joel (34:36.206)
All right, guys, Klarna, who we've talked about quite a bit, they don't need any people at all in their company. They got a little bit exposed by the New York Times this week. Listeners obviously know that their CEO has made bold claims that AI can handle all human jobs, including his job. And also saying that Chatbots replaced 700 customer service agents in his company. However, the claims were exaggerated. to the time, support was outsourced.
Chad (34:36.666)
work. Shit.
Joel (35:06.006)
Not automated work day was swapped in or out for deal and team Taylor. And they still have 50 job openings on their website, facing a 2026 IPO and evaluation drop from 50 billion to 6.7 billion. Ouch. the times says Klarna leaned into AI hype to mask over hiring fixes and union challenges in their home country of Sweden.
But wait, there's more knuckleheadedness. Did you hear about the Y Combinator company, Firecrawl, who posted a job for an AI agent paying $15,000 a year? I'm guessing that reeks of publicity stun. But Chad, what's your take on the Klarna Y Combinator Firecrawl drama this week?
Chad (35:51.502)
Yeah, I've got a first off. Thanks to Alex Chakowsky for pulling together a great Klarna overview. That was great work. let's dig in real quick. So crunch base is predict. Yeah, he's, he's doing good stuff. Crunch base is predicting that, with $4.6 billion in funding, there's no more funding for Klarna. there's no acquisition in sight, which means they got one path and that's IPO. So back to what you were talking about, Alex actually put out there Klarna's valuation plummeted.
Joel (35:58.4)
Mm-hmm. He's doing great work, by the way. He's doing great stuff. Keep it up,
Chad (36:21.038)
from its all time high of 50 billion and lost 90 % of that during COVID down to 6.7 billion, right? So then how do they get that 90 % back? AI is the answer, at least claims of AI is the answer, right? And then back to the reports on Reddit suggest that customer service teams were never actually made redundant by AI instead outsourced external agency. And as you talked about before,
Then they talked about how their AI is going to go ahead and displace Salesforce and Workday, right? When literally they just changed vendors, Deal and Team Tailor. So that's Klarna, right? That's Klarna. This is a huge PR stunt, really, that they're trying to mask and claim. Then there's Firecrawl. mean, welcome to the attention economy. This is nothing more than a PR stunt. And kudos for the startup for cashing in on Attention. The question is, will Attention sell their product?
Emi B (36:59.3)
You
Joel (36:59.758)
Yeah.
Chad (37:20.082)
Firecrawl boasts their product can turn websites into LLM ready data. And that was awesome about five minutes ago. Companies this niche and leaning this hard on an already commoditized LLM ecosystem will be a diamond dozen in three, two, yeah, right now. Both Firecrawl and Klarna are PR stunts. Firecrawl actually said, hey, this is partly a PR stunt.
Joel (37:41.346)
huh.
Chad (37:49.54)
But on the Klarna side of the house, how close is this to fraud? I mean, they're looking to go IPO. They're putting a lot of shit out there that it seems to be, at least from reports, pure lies. They're trying to get that 90 % back that they lost. But the question is, will lies lead to fraud, lead to an orange jumpsuit?
Joel (37:53.998)
Mm.
Joel (38:12.718)
Hmm.
Joel (38:17.135)
So there was a time Chad, when your lives would catch up with you and get you into trouble. I'm not sure we still live in that world. There's the way that you wish the world worked and the way that it actually does. think Trump is obviously a figurehead of that movement, but more than that, Elon Musk, again,
Emi B (38:20.676)
Not anymore!
Emi B (38:29.764)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (38:40.59)
For years, I've heard from analysts and people who know what they're talking about say that Tesla is overvalued. It's just a car company. There's nothing to see here. There's no difference in them and Toyota. You know what the difference is? The story, the story and the storyteller. For whatever reason, people have neglected the numbers, the valuation, like the just what we've historically thought of as a good company versus one that's in the toilet.
Chad (39:07.482)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (39:07.784)
And to Klarna's CEO's credit, he knows taking Elon's leadership on this, that the story matters. If he can weave a story about AI is replacing everybody, we don't need employees. He actually had an AI voice do his quarterly earnings call recently. the story, who cares about the facts? Who cares about the numbers? Who cares about the trends? The story's cool, Chad.
I'm buying that stock tomorrow. So that is what is going to save them. And he's taking a cue from so many other corporate leaders in the world. And we'll see if when they go public, if it works, but history says he may be onto something.
Chad (39:49.966)
Feels like a hoctua meme coin is what it feels like.
Emi B (39:52.356)
You know what, I agree. When you say it's a good story, I think it's beautiful bedtime story. They sat there like, know, Clarners, like, you know, the poster child for efficiency with AI. Look at what we've achieved. Obviously we know it's BS, but it doesn't matter. People are talking about them. People are not, yeah, exactly.
Joel (39:57.485)
Emmy?
Joel (40:18.028)
We do now, but at the time everybody in our space was like, holy shit, we don't need any people. The guy at Klarna says we don't.
Emi B (40:23.94)
Listen, half the people are going to read the article and still go look at what Klan has done. It's amazing. You know, the whole world is believing lies with Trump in power and Elon Musk, you know, as vice president. Well, he's real. Well, yeah, exactly. But, you know, like people buy into this bullshit. And so it's a great. Yeah, it's a great PR stunt. It's a great PR stunt. And the names are out there. I mean, that other company, what is it called? Firecrawler? Firecrawl? Yeah.
Chad (40:37.658)
It's more like President Musk at this point.
Chad (40:43.93)
They do.
Chad (40:52.036)
Liar crawl, yeah.
Emi B (40:53.422)
I never heard of them before. How many people know about them now? Everybody knows about them now. They're a small company. So does it work? Yeah. Does it get their name out there? Yeah. And they're saying, fire call that is, they say they were doing it to attract people to apply for their software engineering jobs. Well, people are going to do that now, aren't they? So yeah, does it work? Absolutely. Is it right? No.
Chad (41:13.848)
I don't know if I would. I don't know that I would. If you think that they're going to be leaning toward AI, you're not going to have a job as an engineer very long. Not to mention, Klarna is not in the US, they're in Sweden. I don't know enough about the Swedish government, but the US might not lock down on something like that. The fucking Swedes might throw this motherfucker in jail. I don't know. So there's entirely different.
Joel (41:27.022)
Mm-hmm.
Emi B (41:27.256)
Hmm.
Emi B (41:32.354)
Yeah.
Emi B (41:35.766)
Yeah, but look at where the world is going. Yeah, I mean, I look at the UK, the UK like, what did you say last time? It's like mini America. Yeah, it's the same. The whole Europe.
Chad (41:41.624)
The UK is a small, yes, but that's not Sweden. That's not the rest of Europe. I mean, they have entirely different cultures. And just because the UK is trying to carbon copy the stupid shit that we're doing doesn't mean the rest of them.
Emi B (41:55.628)
Yeah, I'll beg to differ. I'll see what happens.
Joel (42:00.994)
Little, little side note. had a, I had a bad case of the fire crawl back in college. I don't know what's going on with that. By the way, with, with, with fire crawl, like we live in a, we live in a daily fight for attention and companies are like, how do we get, how do we get press? How do we get clicks? How do we, like, what are we gonna do? Like, somebody had the bright idea. Let's, let's post a fake job for an AI employee. And that we're going to see more of this stupid shit. Thank you. Thank you. All right.
Chad (42:01.466)
I
Chad (42:05.178)
Yeah
Emi B (42:05.604)
Ha!
Chad (42:07.886)
Next!
Chad (42:24.858)
Smart. Yep.
Joel (42:30.53)
From stupid shit to just plain scary, scare the hell out of me. Shit. the Sasquatch of statistics. That's right. Listeners know him as Toby Dayton, CEO at link up posted his top 10 predictions for 2025. It only took him a month and a half to get us his predictions for 25. Nope. Nevermind that, it had us on the ledge or at least man, the ledge, the word cataclysmic is in the title. Toby predicts the U S economy will quote.
Chad (42:31.492)
Toby, Toby.
Joel (42:59.938)
degenerate into mild stagflation with anemic growth, unemployment climbing to 5%, inflation persisting, and no cuts from the Fed. Can you scare me anymore, Toby? Chad, first, hold me. Hold me and tell me I'm okay. And the second is, what are your thoughts?
Chad (43:19.278)
Hold me, hold me.
Yeah, I mean, so you've got the 11 that are here. I mean, Toby's an incredibly smart dude. If you listen to our jobs report we did with them for, we did with him for about a year before they got acquired. We got a good close personal time with Toby. He's an incredibly smart dude and they have a ton of data. Some of the things that he mapped out here, which is really good because we can actually dig in. So number one, the US
is looking to add about 1.6 million jobs in 2025. Sounds great. We added 2.2 in 2024. The problem is the market mismatch. The types of jobs we are going to create, you're have to have two or three of them to pay your fucking mortgage. That's a problem. those job numbers doesn't really matter that much. Unemployment at the year end around 5%, which it might sound okay, I guess to some people. The problem is,
Joel (43:56.6)
lot.
Chad (44:19.234)
Unemployment isn't the problem. It's under employment, right? Again, the people who have to have two to three jobs just to be able to make ends meet. So as we start to take a look at this, I think the scariest point for me is GDP growth. I mean, if everything is on its way down, this seems like a fucking spiral. And everybody was talking about, my God, we're gonna hit a recession. No, this doesn't look like a recession. This looks like a fucking depression. And that, again,
Emi B (44:22.414)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (44:50.167)
Take me back to Europe. Jesus fucking Christ. But this is going to this is actually going to impact global markets. And that's what really sucks. Yeah. It is. It is.
Joel (44:56.846)
When America sneezes, the world gets a cold. So this is for everybody, more or less.
Emi B (45:02.796)
have not heard that phrase before. like that. When America sneezes, the world gets a cold. And I think it's true. Yeah, no, I'm going to use it. I'm going to pretend it's mine. Yeah. And you know what? I agree because I think, you know, a lot of people obviously voted the current government into the place that they are. And why? Because of he was going to do great things for the economy. But this is not showing that the economy is going great or will be going great.
Chad (45:07.034)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (45:07.736)
You're welcome.
Use it.
Emi B (45:31.512)
This is saying that this is gonna go shit, you know? So what does that mean for people? Because when you talk about inflation, it's like, I think some people can say, okay, inflation is like a technical metric. But the reality is when you talk to the everyday person in their homes, it's not a technical metric. Yeah, they feel it. This is personal. So when people go into the grocery store, sorry, or the gas, you know, to pay for gas, or they're paying the rent, they are feeling that.
Chad (45:47.546)
They feel it.
Emi B (46:01.644)
And that means the trust in the government is going to slowly erode. What is that going to do for the government? What is that? What, how are they going to recover from it? I don't think they can. And this is a massive, massive problem. I don't know how they're going to fix it, but I think it's dire. You know, all of this is just showing dire consequences. You know, you're going to get businesses that, you know, who are going to be cautious. They, businesses don't like instability. You're going to get businesses who slow down their hiring.
you're going to be at, which means what? And unemployment goes up, investment dries up. You know, there's serious consequences of all of this.
Chad (46:44.324)
That's number 10 there, Cheeseman.
Joel (46:45.934)
So Chad mentioned how smart Toby is, and I totally agree. But I'll throw in the fact that Toby is one of the more thoughtful, calculated, low-key guys in the industry. So when he writes a post with the title Cataclysmic 2025 in it, he's not just getting clicks. He is really thoughtful around this.
Chad (47:01.231)
Yes.
Chad (47:08.388)
Mm-hmm. No.
Joel (47:15.18)
It's supposed to be his 10, 10 predictions. He has 11. Like that's how, that's how much Toby went off the rails on this post. three of them are government related, which I think we should all be concerned with. Like Chad, when we did the show, the numbers aren't true. They're changed all the time. the chaos in Washington, small businesses report came out recently. Small businesses are scared to death to hire. Why uncertainty?
Emi B (47:18.916)
11.
Chad (47:32.612)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (47:45.39)
They don't know what's going on with tariffs. They don't know what's going on with geopolitical issues. don't know inflation. Inflation is going up. went up last week or last month. And then you have the fed who says. We like, can't do anything. And when we talked to, when we talked to Toby and we started the show, he was like, Hey man, how many, how many cuts this year? This is back in 2024. think, I think he predicted four and there were two. Now he's saying there's zero. Maybe he's wrong and it's the other way around, but his data.
Chad (47:59.556)
You can't cut. You can't.
Joel (48:14.52)
if you didn't know his data is, is, collected from ATS is direct employers. Like it's real stuff. It's not ghost postings or whatever. So his data is really, really great, which is why he was acquired. So when he says this stuff, we should all really pay attention, and act accordingly. And, I'm going to do my best to get off the ledge, because he, he freaked the fuck out of me because he is not this kind of guy. He is not look at me. I'm crazy with crazy predictions. yeah.
Emi B (48:39.704)
God... Wild!
Chad (48:43.258)
Can we just go ahead and talk about boobs? I mean, come on.
Joel (48:46.52)
We can talk about boobs, but I will say, have to say, if, you, if you haven't subscribed to Toby's newsletter, it's on stub stack. It's called diggings on the job market. do yourself a favor, and go out and subscribe, to his, to his newsletter. And yes, we will, we will come off the ledge and talk about LinkedIn and boobs, which I don't think we've ever done before. So go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and push the stamp on your bingo card and we'll be right back.
Chad (48:55.418)
Mm-hmm.
amazing.
Emi B (49:04.683)
I mean...
Emi B (49:10.178)
Yeah
Joel (49:15.47)
All right, guys, James language, a fine British lad, apparently, and a self-styled quote, business storytelling expert and quote posted a sexist LinkedIn rant comparing women's breast size to business confidence sparking. Wait for it. lot of fury online. his 200 word theory, if you can call it that paired with a Haley at well photo who I don't even know. maybe you do, claimed.
Chad (49:35.962)
Imagine that.
Joel (49:45.602)
get this smaller breasts flaunt while large larger ones hide just like marketing ideas. Sure. it drew 3000 plus angry comments in 24 hours, surprisingly with users labeling it labeling it. LinkedIn's quote worst ever end quote and calling for his ban language later gloated on Facebook, but hasn't replied on LinkedIn. Shocking again, Emmy, what's your take?
on this juicy story.
Emi B (50:16.1)
My take is this guy is a fucking idiot. What the hell is wrong with him? Where has he been for the last 50 years? a hundred percent. And apparently he was a ski instructor beforehand, which led him to his business storytelling route.
Joel (50:21.422)
You
Chad (50:25.946)
Attention, he's looking for attention.
Joel (50:27.416)
But he's a business storytelling expert, Emmy.
Chad (50:32.026)
Yeah.
Chad (50:36.96)
Of course. Of course.
Emi B (50:39.406)
Honestly, there's so many things that went through my head when I read this article. And to be honest, I don't know what's more baffling. I don't know if it's whether or not, you know, what actually led him to write this. And then when he wrote it, what led him to hit the post button with confidence? go, yeah, this is a good post. This is going to get positive feedback. was like, no. And then what I also don't understand, how did the post stay up long enough on LinkedIn to get 3000?
Chad (50:44.922)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (51:11.476)
He deleted it. It wasn't taken off. He deleted it.
Emi B (51:13.948)
I was searching everywhere, who is this guy? I want to see him, I want to write on his post. Like I said, he is stupid, he is tone deaf. No one in this day and age can actually with confidence say this is something that is a positive thing to do. With everything that has happened in last couple of years,
Where does it, where is this guy coming from? And if I go onto LinkedIn, they are also accountable. And look, I know some of the things you say about LinkedIn. I like LinkedIn, but here I think they fucked up because you allow this guy to stay long enough to get 3000 comments. People are calling for him to be banned, but they haven't banned him because I'm pretty sure when I did a search, although I can't see the post, I'm pretty sure I found him online.
So my opinion is from LinkedIn's point of view, if you don't ban him, you're enabling him. You're saying that this is actually okay. You're saying that it's absolutely fine for people on a professional platform. And that's what it is. It's like not saying it's good to do on any platform, but on professional platform, it's okay to say this sexist comments. It's not okay. And if they keep him online, you are saying that it is okay. And LinkedIn have a duty of care to women.
but it also have a duty of care to men who use this platform as a professional resource. So I'm waiting, I'm waiting to see what LinkedIn actually does. I'm waiting for this guy to also comment to see if he's brave enough since he's a professional storyteller. Cool, cool. Tell us your story, tell us your story.
Chad (52:52.334)
doubtful.
Joel (52:53.134)
We actually have a hidden mic at LinkedIn headquarters and here's the conversation that's going on right now about banning this dude. It sounds like it's not gonna happen. Sorry, I mean.
Emi B (52:56.836)
Emi B (53:04.5)
I mean disappointing yeah
Joel (53:12.312)
Chad, what's always shocked me, and we don't see this because we are who we are, the amount of, I guess, harassment that goes on on LinkedIn behind the scenes. Amy, I don't know if you can speak to this or not, whether you or friends. Apparently it's quite a cesspool of dudes hitting on the ladies, whether it's DMs or comments or whatever. Like, are you seeing this or have anything that you've experienced?
Emi B (53:19.364)
Mmm.
Emi B (53:31.652)
Honestly, every once in a while I get the most stupidest comment and I'm just like, first of all, I don't know if you know who you're talking to because I'm not someone who's just gonna sit there and go, yeah, okay, fine, no problems. Or like, no, no, no, I'm not that person. I will come straight back at you. Say it with your chest. Okay, come on. I will respond equally back and I will put you in your place. So yeah, it's, unfortunately, whether it's LinkedIn or it's Instagram or it's X or Facebook.
Chad (53:43.055)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (53:50.435)
Yeah.
Emi B (54:01.09)
You are always going to find these people. And again, unfortunately, in this day and age, more and people are thinking that it's okay to say that.
Chad (54:11.876)
There's, there's with the current administration and the whole Manosphere and all that other bullshit that's happening, right? It's, like all of these fucking assholes are coming out of their, their holes. This is how they felt the entire time, right? That's how they felt the entire time. They just didn't say anything about it. Now they feel like they have a license to say whatever the fuck they want to whomever they want. Right. And, that to me is, a huge problem. but again, hopefully, you know,
Emi B (54:13.869)
Yeah
Joel (54:17.336)
Yeah, it's gonna get worse.
Emi B (54:20.696)
Mmm.
Emi B (54:24.366)
Yeah.
Chad (54:41.774)
I don't know that LinkedIn's going to kick him off, but hopefully, I mean, he understood that. God, I better pull this fucker down. Hopefully gets kicked in the nuts metaphorically.
Joel (54:48.27)
Yeah, he even had emojis of two balloons and a smiley face. Someone commented, quote, it's only Monday and we've unearthed the caveman that does not belong in this millennium, let alone LinkedIn.
Emi B (54:53.284)
I know, I was like, oh my God, what is wrong with you?
Emi B (55:05.432)
Honestly, but you know what? I'm just going to add a point. you know, when, when you say that you don't know if LinkedIn is going to take this guy down, I'm going to say that there are in conversations I've seen online about sexual health, gender equality, DEI, which gets flagged or removed of LinkedIn. But yet this was allowed to stay on for this period of time and this guy's still on there. So I'm like, what is, what is worse? It needs to be kicked out.
Chad (55:24.623)
Mm-hmm.
Joel (55:31.614)
He needs a timeout at least, because LinkedIn does give you the timeouts. Kick him out, kick him out, kick him out. Yeah, and something that's never getting kicked out is our joke of the week everybody. All right, keeping with the boob theme, what did the saggy boob say to the other saggy boob? What did the saggy boob say to the other saggy boob?
Emi B (55:36.172)
Yeah, kick him out. Kick it straight out. You can't come back. I don't care how you do your business. It's like...
Chad (55:44.026)
That was a dad joke.
Emi B (55:55.692)
And there's a lift up. Lift. Something to do with lift me up. No, under, no.
Joel (56:02.358)
No, if we don't get some support soon, people are going to think we're nuts.
We out!
Chad (56:14.958)
We out!
Chad (56:18.798)
So bad.