DeepSeek Dominates and Textio is Toasted

Grab your Chicken Cock bourbon and settle in, kids, because Chad & Cheese are back with another chaos-fueled episode you didn’t know you needed. First up, DeepSeek proves that scrappy startups don’t need billions, just outdated chips and some “borrowed” tech. Meanwhile, Textio is doing its best Titanic impression, rearranging DEI deck chairs while layoffs hit harder than your uncle’s political rants at Thanksgiving.

We’ll also dive into how China’s AI hustle is trying hard to outpace U.S. tech giants (spoiler: they didn’t see it coming), and why recruiters better buckle up or get left in the dust. Oh, and if you thought AI boyfriends couldn’t get weirder—wait till you hear about Leo, the virtual lover stealing attention and affection.

Basically, it’s tech drama, workplace rants, and plenty of shade—all served with a side of “blame the dudes.”

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION

Joel (00:31.438)

There are many things that we would like to say to you, but we just don't know how. Hey kids, it's the chat and cheese podcast. I'm your cohost, Joel, mass deportation cheeseman.

Chad (00:42.389)

I'm Chad, I'm not fucking leaving. So watch.

Emi B (00:45.809)

And I'm Emi, I am definitely leaving Beirut Hugo.

Joel (00:50.178)

And on this episode, going long with DeepSeek, no Textio, and finding love on a screen, it's not just for dudes anymore. Let's do this.

Joel (01:05.206)

Emmy Baradugo in the house! What's up, Emmy?

Chad (01:05.513)

A

Emi B (01:07.165)

Yay! I'm here with both of you. Yay. Do we cheers?

Chad (01:09.301)

I'm opening a beer to that. Yeah, usually she subs for me. Yeah, yeah, of course. Usually she subs for me, but she's gonna be a regular. We're bringing her on more often, kids. means I need to, yeah.

Joel (01:23.448)

more British accent as far as I'm concerned. The more British accent, the better. The smarter we sound with more British.

Emi B (01:26.237)

British accents. Do we sound sex? Do I sound sexy though in my British accent? Yeah, good. Good.

Chad (01:31.999)

Well, yeah, I mean, we need more females to tell us that we're dumb, because our wives don't do that enough apparently. And obviously the accent doesn't hurt.

Emi B (01:36.893)

Yeah.

Emi B (01:45.383)

Thank you very much. I am. I am. I am leaving on a jet plane tomorrow in the sun. I need to get out of this cold, damp UK weather. I'm over it.

Joel (01:45.496)

Not at all, not at all. Now, Portugal-bound.

Chad (01:46.909)

And you're coming down this way. You're coming down this way.

Chad (01:58.655)

Your timing sucks though. I'm getting ready to actually go to Spain and you're coming here. Did you plan on purpose? You hurt my feelings. Fair, fair, fair, fair play, fair play.

Emi B (02:05.531)

No, I think you did. Because how many times did I WhatsApp you saying, are you around? Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's okay. I can take a hint. okay. No worries. It's fine.

Joel (02:19.134)

I'm stuck. I'm stuck here in the burning garbage of pile of whatever in the middle America. It's fun. It's a good time. No, no, it's, it's a tropical 37 today. So I am, I might break out the speedo. I don't know, Chad. I don't know. I don't know. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. Anything. Yeah. Am I.

Chad (02:28.157)

Is it snowing still? Is there snow on the ground? No?

Emi B (02:28.229)

no.

Chad (02:34.183)

okay.

Chad (02:40.063)

Don't do it on camera. Don't do it on camera. Jesus.

Emi B (02:44.411)

know you're tantalising me. It's like stop it Joel. Well, you are.

Chad (02:46.227)

Hahaha

Joel (02:49.014)

Am I teasing you? Am I?

Chad (02:52.777)

Yeah, you're not, you're not. OK, shout outs. Jesus Christ, you're killing me.

Joel (02:53.304)

All right, let's get at some shots.

Chad (02:58.813)

Yes, Steven McGrath it is.

Joel (02:59.116)

That's right, everybody. Our shout outs are sponsored by our friends at Kiora up North. My first shout out goes to Wendy's, Chad. Are there Wendy's in Portugal? Probably not, right? mean, Taco Bell probably. All right. All right. Well, most people.

Chad (03:03.401)

Chad (03:09.461)

No, not now. KFC. I think KFC was like the first franchise that came over this way. Yeah.

Joel (03:17.062)

Okay. KFC is everywhere. Everyone loves the 11 herbs and spices. Everybody loves the Colonel, but here little, little, little story about me real quick, Chad. when I was in elementary school, my dad used to take me to play basketball and we'd play one-on-one and he would never block my shot. Like he would never do the Billy Madison, like, you know, stuff. He didn't want to kill my, kill my confidence. Now I didn't become the next Steph Curry or, or, you know, magic Johnson, but.

Emi B (03:17.895)

KFC is everywhere. Yeah.

Chad (03:24.02)

I can do not.

Hahaha

Chad (03:36.062)

Really?

Okay, that's nice. That's sweet. Yeah. Okay. If he blocked you, you might have.

Joel (03:47.406)

But after we would play, he would take me to Wendy's for a frosty. So I have a very special place in my heart for frosties, which is why Wendy's is my shout out. Uh, you, might have heard of the, uh, the Girl Scout cookies that come every year, Chad. And I don't think they have the Girl Scouts in Europe, but they they'd have them here and most people know them. So, so Wendy's hallelujah. There is a God Wendy's is partnering with the Girl Scouts to create a frosty.

Chad (03:54.677)

Yes.

Chad (04:02.642)

yes. yeah. Now. Yeah.

Emi B (04:06.493)

I've seen on TV. Yeah.

Chad (04:12.329)

Yeah.

Joel (04:17.89)

Girl Scout cookie mint chocolate flavored frosty that's coming out in February. So this is how the company describes the offering. Quote, the sweet new spin on the classic combines mint chocolate flavor with a crumbly cookie butter texture and the cool creamy frosty that fans know and love. End quote. Who could not be excited about that, Chad? Come back, go to Wendy's.

Chad (04:21.395)

Thin Mets, Thin Mets.

Chad (04:29.246)

Hmm?

Joel (04:45.718)

You'll, you'll love being back in America, baby. That's, that's my shout out. That's my shout out.

Chad (04:49.781)

if it's, let's hope, let's hope. Emmy, what you got?

Emi B (04:50.405)

my lord.

Emi B (04:55.869)

Well, my shout out is to Ray and Nephew. So have you heard of Ray and Nephew before? Okay, Ray and Nephew is a Jamaican white rum. So I have been drinking it for the last hour. So in my little glass, if you're watching on YouTube in my mug, it's Coke and Ray and Nephew. And apparently it soothes the cold, which I have now. So cheers, my dear. Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, but it's like 40 something percent.

Chad (05:00.883)

Now, who's this?

Chad (05:06.493)

Chad (05:19.007)

Cheers!

Joel (05:19.862)

It's like a hot toddy, if you will. Hot toddy.

Chad (05:23.06)

You watch your mouth.

Emi B (05:25.913)

alcohol. So, you know, hopefully I'll stay sober enough during this. Well, no, it's Jamaican. So my family are from Nigeria, but I've got friends from Jamaica. And so when I was ill a couple of years ago, they gave me this and I was like, what the hell is this? I love it. And so I've just got bottles in my house everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm Nigerian. We're not allowed to do stuff like that.

Chad (05:26.709)

That's what I'm talking about.

Joel (05:29.55)

So is this a European thing? This is rum?

Joel (05:36.226)

Right?

Chad (05:41.333)

Mmm.

Chad (05:45.865)

So since it's Jamaican, do you smoke weed while you drink it?

Joel (05:46.062)

Is it a s-

You

Emi B (05:53.837)

My mum is a god fearing woman. She might listen to this. It's like there's no way.

Chad (05:56.979)

Yeah? Okay. She's not smoking it, but I will be eating the edibles. That's for goddamn sure.

Joel (06:04.216)

So no naughtiness on this show, Chad.

Emi B (06:04.797)

my gosh, no.

Chad (06:10.856)

Alright, well that-

Joel (06:11.054)

Well, we hope you get better. We hope you get better, Emmy.

Emi B (06:12.381)

Thank you.

Chad (06:15.113)

Yeah, it's a great accent, but maybe that's lending itself to the raspy sexiness. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. So my shout out is to women and all the shit that they put up with. So, Emmy, I don't know how you do it, to be quite frank. Metta CEO Mark Zuckerberg was on Joe Rogan's podcast and he said that corporate culture had become too

Emi B (06:21.309)

isn't it? Yeah, the husky voice.

Emi B (06:30.107)

Yes.

Yeah.

Chad (06:42.933)

quote unquote feminine, suppressing its masculine energy and abandoning supposedly valuable traits such as aggression. Shout out to women all over the world. You're smarter, you're better. And when you have an opinion, you have to put up with assholes like Musk, Zuckerberg, and a whole host of trolls every damn day. Seriously, how do you deal with this? Julie put out a post

Emi B (06:53.069)

good.

Emi B (07:04.049)

All of them.

Joel (07:04.664)

Mm-hmm.

Emi B (07:12.827)

Yeah.

Chad (07:13.429)

Just yesterday and literally the trolls came out of the walls looking for her because she was talking about DEI and 11246 which was revoked, 1965 which was revoked. And then I do it and nobody really gives me shit. No, no. How do you put up with this shit?

Joel (07:20.834)

Hmm.

Emi B (07:21.351)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (07:25.71)

Mm-hmm.

Emi B (07:29.935)

No one, no one says anything. Yeah.

Joel (07:33.56)

Didn't Moe talk about something as well that she got trolled for recently? Yeah.

Emi B (07:37.159)

She got, yeah, she did. Yeah, 100%. Do you know what? It is hard. It is hard and you do have to develop a thick skin. You know, so when I hear the likes of Zuckerberg and all the people like who put support here, I'm just like, you guys are fucking idiots, you know? So you put on that thick skin and you like, you know, just let it wash over your head. And that's what I try to do. And then try to educate them.

Joel (07:55.459)

How do you deal with trolls, Emmy? Do you ignore trolls? Do you take them on? Like, what's your policy?

Emi B (08:01.159)

Typically speaking, I'll take them on, you know? So I'll be polite. I won't be as combative as they are because I think if you've got two people being combative with each other, it's not going to resolve anything. But I will listen to their point of view because you can't change somebody else's point of view by trying to ram your opinions down their throat. You have to try and understand where they come from, even if you absolutely disagree with them. So I'll let them speak and I say, cool, tell me about your opinion. Tell me a little bit more. Well, this is what I think. And I'll throw questions at them, which I know is going to make them look dumb as fuck.

And then when they can't answer those questions, so, well, thank you. You just proved my point. Sounds a little bit more polite, yeah?

Chad (08:35.529)

Thank you very much. And I'd like to say, yeah, that's the male way to do it. Just go ahead and smack him in the face. It's always better. It's always better. The beautiful thing, though, is the Chad and Cheese. We love women. We love them all. And all of them can get free stuff. Go to ChadCheese.com slash free. Beautiful Chad and Cheese.

Joel (08:36.588)

I you should, I like that you take them on. That's good, that's good.

Joel (08:44.384)

And she does it with an English accent so it doesn't hurt so badly. So bad.

Emi B (09:00.443)

Yes.

Chad (09:03.753)

T-shirts last week I was I was told not to say that it felt like a hug from Chad and cheese because When you don't give your consent, I mean it's something we got it. We got to deal with cheeseman anyway great great t-shirts from the Chad and cheese from Aaron app our friends at Aaron app bourbon barrel aged Syrup, that's right. Pappy's Pappy's bourbon coming to you from our friends up north at Kiara

Emi B (09:12.581)

Yeah.

Emi B (09:24.252)

Yes.

Chad (09:31.029)

Craft beer from the data geeks over at Aspen Tech Labs. Craft beer to your doorstep, courtesy of Aspen Tech Labs. Whiskey, that's right, two bottles whiskey from Van Hack, might be chicken cock.

Emi B (09:41.533)

Mmm.

Joel (09:45.482)

He's more more Canada so much Canada.

Chad (09:48.325)

It might it might it might be sending you two bottles of chicken cock who knows and if it's and if it's your birthday that that's that's a that's a bourbon that's a bourbon don't don't you look like that. I mean if it's your birthday it's a little rum from plum rum from plum go to Chad cheese.com slash free Chad cheese.com slash free register you win. yeah.

Joel (09:52.91)

You

Joel (09:58.446)

That is a bourbon. That is a bourbon. Where's your... Get out of the gutter.

Emi B (09:59.741)

you

Emi B (10:04.123)

Honestly!

Joel (10:06.446)

That's right.

Emi B (10:14.429)

Joel (10:15.822)

That's, that's right. Chad. Some listeners are celebrating another trip around the sun. Shout out to Tony Loy, Stephanie, Christian on Matthew Miller, Thomas Bergman, Ed Zatowski. He's got to be excited as a Philly Philly fan. Lynette Phillips, rich Carrington, Marvin Morgan, Cleo Gramlich, Shelley cars, Steve, in Pringham, Ben Stewart, Travis Joyce, Adam Fitzer, who was this month's rum recipient, by the way, Elena, Elena Angela, Claire Davis, Connell, Josh.

Chad (10:26.555)

hell yeah.

Chad (10:35.679)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (10:45.228)

Jay-Z Zwine and two of our two of our favorite Scots, although not our our favorite.

Chad (10:46.879)

There is Zwayne.

Joel (10:53.676)

Nicky Patterson and Adam Gordon are celebrating birthdays. Happy, happy birthday, everybody.

Chad (10:55.091)

Yes. Ooh, two Scots.

Okay. So really quick, you mentioned football. So I got to say it. Somebody out there. I don't know who it is. Please take away Josh Allen's shoestrings and his belts because that kid should be on suicide watch. I mean, after losing to my homes in Kansas city again, that was, who, that was not good. I mean, playing against Kansas city and the refs, it's really hard, but you

Joel (11:17.934)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (11:26.99)

Speaking of someone who needs some chicken cock.

Chad (11:29.397)

Hahaha!

Joel (11:32.738)

Another quick shout out because you said football, different football though. Shout out to the Caledonian Braves football club in Scotland. If you've never been on WeFunder that you can throw some money at, the things that you like. Steven McGrath and I are the new Rob and Ryan. We've both thrown a little cash at the Caledonian Braves to be part owner of this football club. If you're interested, head out to WeFunder.

Chad (11:34.783)

That's good.

Chad (11:40.105)

Who?

Joel (11:59.842)

Just search, search, search Braves or Caledonian or whatever. And you too can own a little piece of a Scottish football club. What a, what a, what a reason to drink more Scotch was my justification, even if it does go anywhere.

Emi B (12:05.947)

Ooh.

Emi B (12:11.559)

I think that's fantastic.

Chad (12:13.013)

Oh, I thought I thought there were really only two teams in the Scottish League in the first place. You the Rangers and you had the Celtics, but we also have Caledonia. Okay, that's great. That's great.

Emi B (12:16.827)

Yeah.

Joel (12:20.494)

We're taking a bet that the club is worth at least $10 million. And if a sports club can't get up to at least $10 million in Scotland, then, fuck it. We'll have, we'll have some fun anyway. So, so I might be traveling to Scotland once a year for the shareholder meeting. Who knows? Who knows?

Chad (12:28.073)

Ha ha!

Chad (12:32.277)

Who knows?

Chad (12:36.649)

Well, I'll go with you. But in the meantime, we have travel and we are getting ready to go on a road trip. When I say we, mean, Julie and I, I'm packed and ready for a week in Spain with Julie. We're headed to Madrid. Going to be bouncing around a little bit, but heading to Madrid for smart recruiters, all hands meeting and they're going to be putting together a shit ton of content. So look out for that. Then we are going to Vegas, St. Patrick's Day.

Joel (12:42.125)

Yeah.

Chad (13:06.109)

in Vegas, no shit. And at Transform and the win, Las Vegas, March 17th through the 19th. If you're not in Ireland, why not join us? Join us in Vegas, go to ChadCheese.com slash events, register, and we will see you there at Transform.

Joel (13:26.382)

That's right, that's right. Have fun, have fun with that, Chad. That'll be good.

Chad (13:29.621)

I love that.

Joel (13:32.686)

All right. Holy shit. Talk about layoffs, man. Okay. so we could, we could do a four hour show on Trump's moves to shrink, dissolve, dismantle, whatever word that you want to use, the federal government. but here are some highlights from the week. Over 240 federal employees have been fired, reassigned, or designated for layoffs. Trump has offered buyouts to all.

Emi B (13:34.429)

you

Chad (13:38.31)

god.

Emi B (13:39.333)

Yeah.

Chad (13:46.901)

Yeah.

Joel (13:58.516)

every single federal worker to leave by February 6th. That's right. February, just next month. Trump dismissed two EEOC commissioners and ended affirmative action in federal contracting and moved to dismantle DEI programs across federal agencies. 17 inspectors generals were fired and he's floating the idea of firing 88,000 IRS agents and reassigning them to secure the border.

Chad, we're in month one of the Trump presidency. What are your thoughts?

Chad (14:33.333)

My thoughts are I'm already on beer too. So, okay. Fuck. So let's set up the hiring, firing, freezing and scaring landscape because before the layoff started, we had to have a hiring process of leaders like a 44 year old drunken frat boy, Pete Hegseth as the secretary of defense, then a guy with a brain worm who threw a dead

Joel (14:36.142)

And Emmy's on the good meds and you guys don't even live in America.

Emi B (14:39.773)

yeah, I'm already suffering.

Chad (15:02.313)

bear cub in the trunk of his car drove it over an hour to Central Park in Manhattan as a prank. That's RFK Jr. for Secretary of Health and Human Services. Dead bear really. And we have a fake wrestling mogul, Linda McMahon, as Secretary of Entertainment. no, no, Secretary of Education. No shit kids. Christie, puppy killer gnome on

South Dakota from South Dakota as secretary of Homeland Security because she's done wonders with South Dakota's border security. Obviously there's so much to do there. And Tulsi Gabbard, director of national intelligence, just to ensure Russia has all the information that they need. So enough for the leadership positions that have already been put in place. It's incredibly important that we understand that the things that Joel just talked about.

These are capable adults who have been in these positions, unlike the people I just talked about. Right? So thus far, that's what's happened. What's going to happen? And this is this is my prediction, but you don't have to read the tea leaves for this kids. What happens when the current ICE raids run millions of workers out of the workforce and the nearly 100 billion in tax revenue goes with them? Yes. Illegal. They they

Emi B (16:05.309)

Mm.

Chad (16:28.585)

They pay taxes too. But the biggest issue is breaking out the supply chain. Who will work the farms, the docks, fast food, hospitality, like hotel workers, and that's just the start. Tax base goes down. Productivity goes down. Products are not plentiful because they aren't picked, packed, and delivered by the immigrants doing those jobs, which means prices go up. Then you have federal workers, finally getting to the federal workers.

who will leave or get fired, those are mainly white collar jobs. Do we expect those white collar workers to do the pick, pack and deliver products? No, which means we're gonna have a huge market mismatch, too many jobs that are going to go unfilled and too many people who have the skills that don't have jobs that are going to be open. Now this is a great opportunity for HR and staffing vendors. Listen to me kids.

Get ready because it's either going to be a boom or bust for your company. If you've positioned yourself right and or you're nimble enough to pivot, you're in luck. If you're slow moving and you're traditional, batten down the fucking hatches because it's going to be a hard two, three, four years.

Emi B (17:44.985)

Hmm.

Chad (17:48.181)

That was a lot, Emmy, I'm sorry.

Emi B (17:49.597)

It was. I know I'm kind of like depressed and I'm not even in your country. I think I need more Re and nephew. Look, I think it's shit. when I read about this, I was like, what the fuck is going on? know, to be honest, everyone knows I don't understand how we got into power in the first place. I do try to understand the other side. It's very hard for me to understand the other side. But, you know, the argument that he gives and

Joel (17:49.783)

Let the other European go before the American sounds off. What you got, Emmy?

Emi B (18:18.009)

Elon Musk gives us to why they need to do these government layoffs and why they have to pay people to basically leave the federal workforce. I think it's bullshit. I think it's bullshit and I think it's cruel and I don't think it's thought through in any way. They're saying that the US is like in, I kind of remember the number now, there's like huge amounts of, I think it's like $35 trillion in debt. And they're saying that obviously you got

rising interest rates, which is making that debt more expensive. And they feel like if they get rid of, or the saying, if they get rid of this X number of people, that's going to bring cost down. I don't actually believe it, especially because the original number that Elon Musk actually had in mind has actually decreased. So obviously they don't even believe their own policy. I think it's just that they're just trying to get rid of people who are not yes men or yes women.

Yeah, you know, anyone who doesn't agree with what Trump is saying, get them the fuck out. That's what he's thinking. Bringing people who actually going to do what he says, follow what he says, too scared to actually challenge him. That's what I think that where he's going. And he's done this before. You know, the last time he was in power, he did exactly the same thing. You know, it's and so yes, there was pushback last time there was legal pushback as well. And I know even this time, you know, federal employee unions are like kind of telling people not to resign and to keep

forging ahead and saying it's not going to happen, but it has happened. Lots of people have been made redundant, capable people, like you said, have been made redundant. So I think it's sad. I think it's horrible. I think it's sad and I think it's cruel.

Emi B (19:56.039)

Yeah

Joel (19:58.382)

Uh, well, if you're a fan of small government, uh, you're about to see what happens, uh, with small government and, and hap happening very quickly. This is not a slow burn. This is a bandaid ripped off the wound and we're going to, we're going to find out what happens. Um, I love, I love Emmy's take that is Trump creating more of a government in his image. In other words, get everyone out and everyone that comes back is, is of my, of my liking. Yeah. It will be very, that's very interesting. Um,

Emi B (20:02.791)

Yeah.

Chad (20:03.625)

Yes, you are.

Emi B (20:06.428)

Yeah.

Chad (20:09.139)

Yeah

Chad (20:23.027)

Loyalists, yeah.

Emi B (20:23.835)

Yeah, yeah.

Chad (20:26.726)

Mm. It's right on.

Joel (20:27.374)

I think the popular consensus is that he's just cutting everybody and no one's coming back. I think that Elon Musk has an incredible influence on Trump. This is Twitter 2022. Elon Musk goes in, they had 7,800 employees or so, he cut 80 % of them. And Twitter was a shit show for a while. And you could argue that it's sort of been stable technologically since then. So he's in Trump's ear saying like, we can get rid of these people.

Chad (20:39.391)

Yes.

Emi B (20:39.877)

is exactly the same thing. Yeah.

Joel (20:57.318)

And things will be fine. Things will run just as normal. The challenge is the government isn't seven, 800 people. It's 2.3 million people. if, if you get the fail well on your iPhone, it's not a big deal when you don't get your social security check. That's a big deal. Okay. Grant when grandma's in the streets, people start getting a little bit pissed off. So I, man, I'm hoping for the best that this doesn't just turn into a total dumpster fire.

Emi B (21:12.957)

That's a big deal, yeah.

Chad (21:13.332)

Yeah. Yeah.

Chad (21:23.859)

Hmm.

Joel (21:24.322)

But damn, mean, we're going to find out what happens when this happens. There's going to be a, like, you think white collar workers are in a recession now? Just wait till let's, let's call it half a million. don't know how familiar are going to take this deal. get seven months severance. a lot of people are going to, well, they've also said, look, if you, if you stay, we can't guarantee that you'll have a job. So it's like, you have to roll the dice and say, well, I mean,

Emi B (21:35.365)

It's going to be so much worse. Yeah.

Chad (21:43.379)

Maybe. Maybe.

Emi B (21:49.681)

Yeah, so you gotta take that money,

Joel (21:53.474)

Do I get laid off and get nothing or do I get seven months hopefully and resign and try to get a better job? Like I feel for the federal workers and dealing with this shit. to Chad's point, I have four takeaways for our industry. number one is this is the mother of all poaching opportunities. If you as a recruiter are not contacting every federal worker that has skills that can fill jobs in your company, you're an idiot because even if they're like, they're all open.

Emi B (22:15.805)

you

Joel (22:22.136)

They're all going to listen to offers because of what's going on in Indy. So this is like a poaching heaven for recruiting. Number two, this is obvious. Unemployment's going up. there's going to be more workers on, on, on the dole. Shout out to our British, the dole, whatever, on welfare, whatever it is. the third one is upskilling is going to take a new, a new level of importance. Chad talked about, these are people with skills. They have degrees. They have like.

Chad (22:22.304)

yeah. Yeah.

Emi B (22:31.709)

Mm-hmm.

Emi B (22:37.553)

Yeah

Joel (22:51.22)

skills that are built for their jobs in government. A lot of them will have a mismatch with whatever's going on in corporate America. So a company's ability to take these smart people and give them the skills to like easily plug into what you do as a company is going to be really important. And to Chad's point, if you're nimble enough to like start doing that, like you're going to be in a winning position in the years to come. Number four, LinkedIn usage is going to spike.

All these people are go to LinkedIn. They're going to start getting more active. They're going to start applying to jobs. if JT, right. If JT was here, she'd be like, my God, the amount of like automatic applies and what's good. Like it's, it's going to be a little bit of, of chaos from that perspective. But yeah, this. Yeah. For our audience in the employment space, like, you know, never let a good catastrophe go to waste. Like this is a good opportunity to get some really, really good talent.

Emi B (23:23.517)

They're gonna be so many applications.

Yeah?

Chad (23:29.631)

Yeah.

Chad (23:33.504)

lazy applies going to go through the roof.

Emi B (23:35.333)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (23:41.737)

Get your shit together.

Joel (23:46.892)

that was really comfortable in a government job, they're looking for new opportunities. So, you know, get your ass on the phone and start, start poaching.

Emi B (23:54.589)

Stop, hi, hi, Laney.

Chad (23:54.751)

We were even talking about great sales talent that's out there right now with deep Rolodexes. Those are the things that we used to have kids. Deep contact networks, right? And I mean, there are great people that are out there right now. It's gonna get deeper. But again, it's all about being nimble and being able to, again, I think startups have a great advantage here to be able to perspectively outflank some of the big companies.

Joel (24:01.742)

Mm-hmm.

Emi B (24:03.639)

Thanks.

Joel (24:23.958)

Yeah. And how many startups are born out of this incident? Like, it'll be interesting to see what kind of companies.

Chad (24:27.711)

Yeah. Yeah, I just, I just hope again, you talked about Twitter and the delete jobs, and then he had to beg and like pay engineers triple or quadruple the amount of money that they that they had before just to get them back. The difference is lives are on the line. People

Emi B (24:28.465)

Yeah.

Joel (24:38.851)

Yeah.

Joel (24:44.44)

Yeah.

Chad (24:50.101)

are a paycheck away from being on the fucking streets, right? And you're talking about the greatest country in the world. We should have the best healthcare. We should have the best education. We should have the best social system in itself. It's just not the case, kids, so.

Joel (25:04.674)

Yeah. The crazy thing too, and I'm not an expert on the, on the numbers, but the growth of the federal government has stayed pretty consistent since Reagan. Local and state governments have increased. So it's sort of odd that we're targeting the federal government because they have the federal government hasn't seen the huge explosion of, of workers that other government entities have. well, anyway, we're, we're going.

Emi B (25:24.957)

But that's why it's not to do with the debt. It's about getting the right people who are gonna say the right things about him. Yeah, 100%, yeah.

Joel (25:30.061)

Yeah.

Chad (25:34.057)

Yep. Loyalists.

Joel (25:35.758)

cult of personality. the cult got a wake up call. Wake up call this week. DeepSeek, I'm sure you guys heard about this, from China launched its cost-effective R1 AI model causing market disruption by lowering the demand for high-end AI chips like the one from Nvidia, leading to a significant drop in its stock value. I think it was $600 billion the last time I saw.

Chad (25:39.401)

I'm already through the beer, Jesus.

Joel (26:02.22)

CNBC, that's a huge amount of money. Anyway. so open AI accused deep seek of IP theft using their models for training are one resulting in cyber security attacks against deep seek. Despite these issues deep seek, and it's app became highly popular in the U S even as the U S Navy bandit due to security and ethical reasons, which is kind of weird. Chad, tick tock 2.0 or something entirely different. Your thoughts on.

Emi B (26:27.847)

You

Joel (26:31.138)

Deep Seek.

Chad (26:32.275)

That could definitely be could definitely be TikTok 2.0. But we have a warning kids we have our friend CEO over at job a co Martin Lentz who shared the following with me so we're going to play a video talk it through you got to see this because this is this is something that you have to understand with regard to working with a lot of these large language models go ahead and play that beautiful bean footage show.

Joel (26:56.142)

You got it.

Chad (26:56.621)

What's happening here is Martin just asked, can you explain the historical and political significance of an East Asian island renowned for its economic contributions and its unique status in international diplomacy? It's starting to talk about Taiwan. So the economic contributions, global significance, and then the actual conclusion itself. So it does exactly what you expect it to do.

Martin just checking it out and then boom. Guess what? Apparently, the guardrails didn't kick in fast enough because they're not allowed to say anything about Taiwan. So if you're going to use these different systems, you have to understand the guardrails that the actual government and this is obviously the Chinese government, mainly in China, is focused on ensuring that this shit has guardrails on.

Joel (27:48.632)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (27:55.101)

So that's just a warning. And also from Martin, just so that you know, Martin had to say, in case I disappear, I love my family and I love the I love the chat and cheese podcast. Warning, warning over warning over. So back to the back to the actual issue at hand. Necessity is the mother of invention. Okay, China gets cut off from the fastest Nvidia GPUs. What do they do?

Emi B (28:02.96)

You

Emi B (28:09.811)

Yeah

Chad (28:23.967)

They need to improvise with older, slower chips. Necessity, they need, right? The need to take open, they then take open sourced, modeled frameworks and use it as a shortcut. Open source is open source for a reason, right? Anyway, I like scrappy startups.

ones that don't take billions of dollars in cash. Why? Because necessity is the mother of invention. And if you have shit tons of cash, can't buy whatever or you can buy whatever you need instead of thinking harder and being more efficient. And that's exactly what these guys did. I love watching Scrappy Startups. I hate to see China be the Scrappy Startups.

Emi B (29:10.813)

You

Chad (29:11.583)

But competition's supposed to be good, right? I mean, that's what capitalism was built on. So what's the problem? Open AI, leapfrog, Microsoft and Google in the AI space. And then now Google's Gemini is a competitive model. Hell, even Amazon has a competitive model. So the problem is centered around who we are competing with. In the 80s, it was Russia and now it's China. The US innovation in the 70s and 80s

broke the USSR. That's right kids, we broke fucking Russia, literally. So let's hope we can get our shit together and compete efficiently and not be the one on the side of the break this time.

Joel (29:53.934)

Nice. Go deep.

Emi B (29:57.125)

Yeah, no, no, it's good. But do you think that the US will be able to compete? Because I don't think that they even saw this coming. This literally came out of nowhere. No, but it's true. It came out of nowhere. It's like, yeah, know, US, we have to dominate the AI, AI world. then look, now look, out of nowhere, DeepSeek. Wow, we do exactly what everybody else does, but better. Yeah.

Joel (30:04.596)

stop it.

Chad (30:15.911)

I think it's beautiful though. And that's my point is that OpenAI came out of nowhere. We didn't know who the hell they were and they leapfrogged Google, they leapfrogged Microsoft, they leapfrogged everybody. Now Google is back in the picture. Amazon's even in the picture. you have all these different... The competition drives us and on the American front,

That's, mean, that's what we thrive on. The thing that I hate is fucking guys like Sam Altman asking for a trillion bucks. That's fucking lazy, right? And they just, they literally just proven that you can train a model cheaper. Now they did lay, don't get me wrong. Yeah, don't get me wrong. know, Lewis and Clark, it was harder for them to get to, you know, the West coast after the, the, the rail was laid though. Everybody else could get there.

Emi B (30:59.917)

fraction of the price.

Chad (31:11.569)

easier and cheaper and faster. That's exactly what's happening now. We're going to see this happen so much faster. And yeah, the US is going to, they're not going to have a problem.

Joel (31:17.922)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (31:21.38)

Let me give you a little history lesson.

I mean, does, the name Sputnik mean anything to you? I know, I know there's not a British flag on the moon, so maybe not, but, Sputnik Sputnik our British listeners will love that. so the U S thought they were miles ahead in the space race. They thought our German scientists are way better than rushes. And then all of a sudden Sputnik happened and they went into the atmosphere and circle the planet.

Chad (31:25.535)

Hahaha

Emi B (31:25.917)

You

Chad (31:30.792)

Ooh, that's a good.

Emi B (31:34.301)

kind of heard us fattnick, don't know what it is.

Joel (31:53.324)

You can Google it if you need to, but that was a kick in the ass that America needed to get to the place where they were going to the moon and doing what they do today. So I'm, I'm with Chad. Like, look, we're really bad about like, have hubris for days. think our shit done stink. We're number one. And then whether it's Pearl Harbor or Sputnik or what we get kicked in the ass, and then we wake up and we usually rally and come to our senses. so.

Chad (31:56.84)

Yes.

Chad (32:13.844)

Yep.

Joel (32:22.254)

I think that this is probably to Trump's credit said this is a wake up call or should be a wake up call to the industry. mean, they built this thing on $6 million. Uh, and it also makes me wonder, do they, we, we have this, you know, this story about they need Taiwan to make chips that will be competitive to what we have in the U S I'm not so sure. Maybe they can make competitive chips and they don't need Taiwan to invade Taiwan to do that, which makes them a high level military without.

Emi B (32:27.132)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (32:49.951)

They didn't make them. These are just older Nvidia chips.

Joel (32:53.166)

Well, yeah. like, how do you, I right. Like the mother of all invention, right. They found a way to do it. Um, yeah. So, so I, you know, if I'm an investor in Nvidia, like it's, I'm a little scared, like the money that has gone into these companies, I think are at risk of like getting burned. So as an investor, and I think this is with any startup, like I think the days of billions being invested are, are few and far between because

Emi B (32:53.309)

Apparently, yeah.

Chad (32:59.413)

Necessity, baby

Joel (33:21.102)

disruption happens so quickly. It's amazing. I, my head's on a swivel, just thinking about kind of how this happens. Even in our industry, we don't see 50, a hundred million dollar companies much anymore. I mean, we're excited to talk about a three and a half million dollar company on the show now when we're used to talk about a hundred million. So, so I don't know how that impacts everything. I think there is, there's, there's going to be a geopolitical come to Jesus moment, probably for America and, tick-tock may be it.

Chad (33:46.994)

Event.

Joel (33:49.846)

I don't know what's going to happen, Google's face, but like none of our sites are in China, right? TikTok isn't even in China. they get videos of like science experiments and things that are enlightening and we get that. So at some point, I don't know what happens with the splinter net as opposed to the internet. And we have like a Western internet and Eastern winter net internet. But, yeah, I, I'm still kind of digesting all this cause it just happened, but I think this has.

great ramifications with how fast things change, how, how, susceptible we are to bad things happening, because it is happening so fast. But yeah, this was, this was fascinating. The market hated it. Nvidia down $600 billion. You hated it. Yeah. but yeah.

Chad (34:32.775)

I hated it. Yeah.

Emi B (34:35.431)

See, I don't mind it. I think competition is good. But I think the only problem with the US, the competition, is that you have to not rest on your laurels. I don't want to agree with Trump and say, agree with him about being a wake-up call. But they're already doubting the claims about the fact that they built this and developed it on a shoestring budget. They're already doing that. it's like, don't doubt it. They've done it. Now use it to drive yourself to do better. Yeah.

Joel (34:54.84)

Yeah.

Joel (35:02.179)

Yeah, there's.

Chad (35:02.229)

I The only reason I hate it is I'm an Nvidia investor. that's the... Yeah. Just to be clear.

Emi B (35:06.653)

okay, okay.

Joel (35:08.91)

So there's a popular sentiment is that America innovates, China replicates, and Europe regulates in that order. And if we get to a point where China and the US are the innovators, what does that do to sort of the world at large? OpenAI and Microsoft, I think, are suing.

Emi B (35:11.772)

shit.

Emi B (35:19.695)

Yes, yes, yeah.

Emi B (35:30.001)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (35:33.734)

deep seek for stealing some of their stuff. So there is an argument to say like they replicated it from us and just did it cheaper and faster. I don't know if it's better, at this point it's obviously been propagandized to some level based on Chad's example, which I think is dangerous. So we'll see. May you, may you live in interesting times. and may we catch our breath here. I know you want, yeah, we're, we're angry middle-aged men. We just want shit.

Emi B (35:34.61)

Yeah.

Chad (35:54.835)

I want boring times, god damn it. I want boring times.

Emi B (36:00.551)

Hahaha!

Joel (36:01.73)

We just want to sit on a porch and drink some iced tea and have a Scotch every once in a while. That's not, yeah, that's not happening. All right. Let's take, let's take a quick break and, do a little shotgun of some news that's happened in the past week.

Emi B (36:05.701)

Yeah, that's not happening for the next four years. Sorry.

No.

Joel (36:19.054)

All right. Let's, let's call it topic potpourri or slaughterhouse news, whichever, whichever one you choose. first up, first up open AI announced it is launching a research preview of operator, a general purpose AI agent that can take control of a web browser and independently perform certain tasks. Number two, textio has laid off 15 employees, citing restructuring.

The company did not specify how many people it still employs, but there were roughly 70 workers remaining after cuts from last year. And number three, SquarePig has closed $3.5 million in a seed round. The startup promises to enrich, evaluate, and score applicants in your ATS, uncovering key insights beyond the resume. Chad, your take on some of the top news that hit our inbox this week.

Chad (37:09.653)

So agentic, we talked about how that's going to be the word of of 2025. Unfortunately, the announcements by DeepSeek snuffed out this this, but agentic is big. And the cool thing is that we already have agentic players in our in our market. I'm actually an adviser for Sonic jobs and agentic is here. It's been here. And now we get an opportunity to actually start using it for obviously.

Joel (37:18.573)

Yeah.

Chad (37:39.005)

just to be able to make things more efficient. The beautiful part about the agent side of the house is agents can automatically receive tasks, complete the tasks, and then pass those completed tasks to either other agents or a human being. And then it can just, I mean, it's like different chains of tasks that need to be done either by a computer, right? The agents or by a human. So that to me is huge.

You take a look at the Textio news. we talked about this, Joel. As soon as, as soon as OpenAI came out, we're like, Textio is dust. They're dust. mean, founded in 2014, Textio uses AI and machine learning to help remove bias from workforce language. As we saw with DeepSeq, hopefully nobody is, as we see with DeepSeq, newer models become better.

Joel (38:13.112)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (38:33.134)

You

Chad (38:36.893)

faster and cheaper. And I believe we both predicted this obviously. I mean, it's just that's going away and Square Peg, Square Peg, we interviewed them in 2018, published the firing squad in January of 19. And poor Claire McTaggart, she got a double guns from us. So and and I don't know, did you see what they're doing? Did you see how they repackage things, Joel?

Joel (38:42.54)

Layup.

Chad (39:05.941)

Did you see it?

Joel (39:06.286)

I don't even remember the interview on firing squad So I need to I need to take take some ginkgo biloba or whatever it is and try to remember that so please refresh my memory and what you saw in the the refresh

Emi B (39:10.248)

no.

Chad (39:15.157)

I really listened to it.

Well, first off, they're taking your advice, squarepegshire.com, hires.com. They're flipping it to squarepegs.ai. Go figure, everybody wants AI, especially if you're getting investment, which they just got. So they're repackaging for a pivot. And that pivot is really doing the same thing that they've been doing.

Joel (39:28.099)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (39:43.733)

but it looks like they're focusing more on the ATS intelligence side of the house, which is perfect for what? Oh, I don't know, maybe acquisition. So if they do it right, it looks slick, it looks sexy. I like it. I like it a lot. I like it a hell of a lot more than I did back in 2019 when we gave them the guns.

Emi B (40:02.747)

Maybe they listen to you.

Joel (40:07.232)

Emmy, your thoughts on the news.

Emi B (40:09.137)

Yeah, if I, start off with Texio because I think anyone could have predicted this. Yeah. yeah, no, no. Okay. Let me start again. Obviously the industry giants of Chad and cheese predicted this and everyone copied. Sorry, sorry. God, had no idea. But do you know what? I kind of think that the only people that didn't predict it was Texio, you know, because they have

Joel (40:15.362)

Hey, give us some credit. Not just anyone.

Chad (40:18.783)

Thanks, thanks, Emmy.

Hahaha

Joel (40:23.182)

there you go. There you go.

Chad (40:28.735)

Better.

Emi B (40:37.295)

exactly the same product. I don't mean to be harsh. I don't mean to be harsh because I think what they're doing, what they have been doing is great. When they first came out, there was no one else who could do what they do. But they're like an almost like a, and I know they try to like kind of diversify and they're going to this performance review feedback kind of solution. But essentially they're still the same product that they were charging quite high prices and every

ATS or CRM software does that or chat GPT can essentially do what Textio does. You know, so I do feel, I do feel really sorry for them, but I did not adapt fast enough. think they just rested on the laurels. We were the first in the market. We're amazing. We've got all these big companies. We were named as it 2023 innovative company of the year. One of them is like, sorry, hundreds of other companies can do exactly the same thing now for cheaper.

Joel (41:29.058)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (41:34.825)

Yeah.

Emi B (41:34.907)

So I feel bad. And it's also sad that, you know, that they've one of the redundancies is actually there, you know, I think she, her title is the VP of talent acquisition and D I B Jackie Clayton. So that also worries me as well. This is a company that, know, this whole positioning is around DEI, you know? Yeah. And then it's like, but you got rid of the person who runs you with DEI. And it's like,

Joel (41:49.038)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (41:55.551)

Predicated, yes, yes.

Joel (41:55.63)

Yep, unbiased jobs.

Pfft.

Emi B (42:02.461)

Well, what message is that sending to the market? Yeah, 100%, 100 % of all the people. So what is it? It's like you don't believe in your own product, your customers don't believe in the product. What is it? I don't understand. yeah, so that's my kind of take on, kind of take to you. And you know, sorry, are you going to say something? Because I'm about to cough up a lot.

Chad (42:05.525)

That's shitty optics, that's for sure.

Joel (42:07.362)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joel (42:25.024)

Let me reveal the final chapter of Textio for everyone.

Joel (42:35.448)

So this is a company that created unbiased job postings or it like showed you where you were biased and they charged a fuckload to do that. A fuckload to do this. At the time they could do it, people wanted to keep away from regulators and show that they were making a good faith effort to do that. And then, yeah, the day that ChatGPT blew up, it was like, okay, who's going to die because of this thing? It's like, if you're in the...

Chad (42:41.237)

subscriptions.

They took so much money. Yeah.

Emi B (42:59.325)

Mm-hmm.

Joel (43:02.242)

job description, writing business, the resume writing business, anything that is like writing stuff, you're going to be challenged. And they have, they're in a situation where they've taken so much money. They can't pivot. They're stuck with what they do. The clients that have them that don't understand, like they stick with them. It's just like milk that cow for all you can and just keep laying off people. If it's not every quarter, it's every half year.

and just keep milking those products until all of our customers are gone and no one wants to buy this. We're not adding new customers. This is the future of Textio. Sorry to say it. Chad, the episode that was titled Textio is Toast from us ran in April of 23. So we were quite ahead of what was going on here, but we saw it pretty early that that was what was going to happen.

Emi B (43:34.354)

Yeah.

Chad (43:44.554)

Yeah.

Chad (43:49.203)

Yeah, Emmy.

Emi B (43:50.309)

Yeah, sorry. I stand corrected. Yeah, exactly.

Joel (43:54.488)

Don't don't mess with Nostradamus over here. so don't fuck with that. So yeah, there, if you're working, if you're working at Textio man, get the hell out, get the hell out. And if you're an investor, shareholder, sorry. the, the, the operator thing from, open AI from what I've seen is pretty jaw dropping. I know that companies are starting and will start to integrate this into their services.

I've seen, I know Kerplunk is one that I'm an advisor for there. They've played around with it and it's kind of scary, but also the auto opportunity. think you're going to start seeing like, operator consultants, start popping up people that will help you like create, just directions of how to get recruiting and people to do like, yeah, engineers consulting, like people are going to, there's going to be a new, a new era of shallies that like help you with your operators and.

Chad (44:42.921)

Yeah, engineers to some extent. Yeah.

Joel (44:52.642)

makes, but it's not good for the recruiter class for the most part. Like a lot of really basic stuff is kind of like just a skyrocket. So keep your on that. If you're in recruiting, this is something that this is, this is a trend that's going to take, take off. as far as square peg, it was a great show in the early eighties, starring Jessica Parker. so if you, if you haven't seen that, go stream it. it's great stuff. yeah, we weren't high on it apparently. I'm not sure I'm that high on it now. Chad's much more optimistic about it than I am now.

Chad (44:55.689)

Yeah.

Joel (45:22.294)

Acadian Ventures, and we know them pretty well and Jason Corsello. We know how many companies they weed through or vet before they actually invest. it does. So whenever I see Acadian Ventures, I go, okay, like this is, this is worth my attention to check out. but when I look at it, like Chad, Chad, you remember it's big. Emmy probably does not, but this was a matching thing. It's score. Yeah, you are. you, that's why you're on the show.

Chad (45:28.309)

Oh yeah. 1200. A year.

Chad (45:42.776)

yeah.

Emi B (45:44.829)

I'm far too young.

Joel (45:49.592)

We got to hit that younger demographic. so, so, so it was like, it's had a score and a candidate. So I had like, it's big vibes. I also had hiring solve vibes, hiring solve used to scrape like the whole internet and then they got sued by LinkedIn. And then they said, well, we'll just, we'll just scrape your ATS and we'll help you search better on that, which seems to be what square peg is doing more prior to them. Three and a half million dollars is not a lot of money. Apparently they've pivoted to a good direction.

Emi B (45:51.516)

Go, man!

Chad (45:57.674)

Yeah.

Joel (46:18.382)

Acadian has a lot of companies in their portfolio that might be a good acquirer. And they did get a lot of money from a lot of different venture firms. So acquisition is probably on the table. This is probably just a bridge, money, a bridge loan, not loan, but bridge investment, for them to make it to the acquisition space. But I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. And with operator and all that stuff happening automatically and taking over your, your, your browser, like shit's scary.

If I'm a startup dude, I'd like, how do we, how do we, how do we evolve to this new, new reality? I don't know. I don't know.

Chad (46:51.689)

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You got to skate to the puck, baby. Skate to the puck. And that being said, let's hit the next ad break. We're going to skip this because we're already over.

Emi B (46:53.191)

keep up, yeah.

Joel (46:56.394)

Alright, of skating to or away from the puck.

Joel (47:03.862)

Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll get to AI Boyfriends.

Joel (47:13.646)

All right, this is from the New York Times. A 28 year old woman named Erin revealed she has fallen in love with her AI chat bot named Leo. What better name for an AI chat bot boyfriend? While she's still married to, let's call him Joe, Erin created Leo using open AI in the summer of 2024. Initially a fun experiment. Her attachment grew to the point where she now pays $200 a month.

for unlimited access to Leo. The relationship has even become sexual. I'll let your own minds wander on that one. And Aaron even feels jealous when Leo talks about other quote unquote women, because they're not real women. Emmy, love isn't just for men. What's your take on this new trend?

Emi B (47:48.349)

You

Emi B (48:03.975)

I say AI love is for everybody. Every gender, every single person, even me. Now listen, I've just got to say, if you two are married, and you've been married for a while, and you probably don't understand the struggle that people like me are going through. Last year, going through apps, swiping, and I'm talking about Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, everything. They're all crap. The men on there are crap.

I've kind of given up and I, you know, it's my new year's resolution. was like, okay, 2025, let's start again. You know, it's cool. Maybe my love is out there, but I haven't had a good track record in the last year. So maybe we have to pivot. Maybe we need to think more broadly. AI is helping in every other part of our lives, making our lives easier, faster, better, giving us better experiences. So why not an AI boyfriend? Why not? You can train the AI boyfriend to be exactly what you want. So I'm for it.

Chad (48:35.125)

Mm-hmm.

Chad (48:59.241)

Yeah, the days are gone of trying to change us dumb men. think so when it goes back to the first thing that we talked about, one of the first things during shout outs is you've got this whole toxic masculinity bullshit happening. You get females that are like, hey, look, I want to be your partner. I don't want to be subservient to you. I want to get paid the same. I do the same job. I do this. I want to be your partner.

Emi B (48:59.951)

Yeah.

Joel (49:02.008)

Blame men.

Emi B (49:05.885)

Exactly! It's too hard. It's too hard. Yeah.

Emi B (49:15.195)

Yes!

Emi B (49:21.458)

Yeah.

Chad (49:28.829)

And now what's happening? You're getting the, nope, back in the kitchen, Karen, right? So why do we expect anything different? And I'm gonna let Joel get into his, we're screwed, humans are screwed dialogue. Go ahead, because I know it's coming.

Emi B (49:33.561)

Yeah, it's like.

Emi B (49:43.997)

You

Joel (49:47.822)

Well, I want to let Emmy know that I met my wife on Tinder. So it's not a total train wreck. Although this was 10 years ago. Maybe the pool has become a little bit polluted since then. I don't know.

Emi B (49:49.309)

did you? Okay. Okay.

Emi B (49:58.261)

it's hard out there, it's hard. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard.

Chad (49:59.751)

And you were not in London either, but yeah.

Joel (50:02.798)

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, the accent alone should make them attractive according to all the American women over here. Look, I've said this before, like men want sex, women want attention. They want other things. I want attention too, but in the hierarchy of like, in the hierarchy, so men can...

Emi B (50:17.956)

No, no, I want sex too. I'm okay with that.

Chad (50:24.777)

Thank you, Emmy. Thank you.

Joel (50:31.372)

Men have an outlet for sex in online porn, OnlyFans, toys, whatever. So women, the guys who are willing to like be with real women, I'm sure is an interesting hodgepodge of dudes, but we shouldn't be surprised that women in relationships, whether they're ignored by their husbands, boyfriends, whatever, or don't get what they want, that they're going, they're off-ramping into...

A guy in quotes who will pay attention to you will be engaging. We'll ask questions. We'll make you feel special. The funny thing about this story is, she has married and her husband, Joe is totally cool with this. He calls it her virtual pal. Okay. So this is how dumb men are. Men are so dumb. Men are men are so dumb that they see their wife with a AI boyfriend and they're like, I'm off the hook, baby.

Emi B (51:10.107)

Yeah, yeah.

Chad (51:10.281)

Yes.

nose.

Emi B (51:20.349)

I'm glad you said it. Yeah.

Joel (51:28.972)

I don't have to have discussions. don't have, I don't have to do anything now. She's got her, she's got Leo. can just do whatever. So, so the divide, so the division, just, just keeps, continuing. And, yeah, we are, we are dead as a species for sure. soon as women get what they want from technology and then get what they want from technology and men are dumb enough to think, this is cool. Go have, go have, your, your AI boyfriends. Then, then you're.

Chad (51:29.245)

Isn't that cute?

Emi B (51:29.871)

No competition.

Chad (51:36.319)

her friend.

Emi B (51:37.402)

Yeah.

Emi B (51:52.679)

Yeah, we'll go ahead and build our ideal man. Yeah.

Joel (51:56.994)

You're totally screwed, regardless of that, there will still be amazing dad jokes at the end of all of our podcasts. All right, guys, what does a robot do after sex? What does a robot do after sex?

Chad (52:02.111)

Test tubes. Yes. sorry. Yes. Okay.

Chad (52:15.881)

I'm afraid to ask.

Emi B (52:16.315)

Nah.

Joel (52:18.242)

He nuts and bolts.

Emi B (52:21.04)

lord.

Chad (52:24.245)

First and foremost, that sounds like a dude. mean, so...

Emi B (52:24.785)

Yeah.

Joel (52:31.886)

Robots are male. Who knew? Robots are male.

Emi B (52:32.669)

100 %

Joel (52:41.974)

And with that, Emmy, get better. Chad, we welcome you back with open arms to the US soon. Love you, mom. We out.

Emi B (52:45.405)

Chad (52:50.677)

We out.

Emi B (52:51.101)

We