Live from the SmartRecruiters booth at HR Tech in Las Vegas, this one is all beef, no filler. Stickin' it to Eightfold, "black Nazis," Brett Favre and cold beers start the episode off on a strong note, followed by the breaking news. Commentary focused on newly minted CEOs at Appcast and Enboarder, a $30 million round and a $250 million valuation at Silicon Valley darling, backed by Peter Thiel and Jack Dorsey, Mercor, and Amazon getting generous with Prime subscriptions for their employees ... in addition to a minimum wage starting at $22-hour. Buckle up kids, it's live from the bright lights of the Vegas Strip.
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Podcast Intro: Hide your kids, lock the doors! You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion, and loads of snark. Buckle up boys and girls, it's time for The Chad and Cheese Podcast.
Joel: Oh, yeah. Two guys who will never get a Taylor Swift endorsement. Hey, boys and girls, this is the Chad and Cheese podcast live from the SmartRecruiters booth at HR Tech.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: I'm your co-host, Joel Black Nazi Cheesman.
Chad: That went off the rails really, really fast.
Joel: Too much. Sorry.
Chad: And I'm Chad. I love me a little Winston Sowash.
Joel: And on this week's show, new CEOs all up in your face, mark her I hardly even know her. And Amazon is in its prime. Let's do this.
Chad: Yeah.
Joel: You're almost in Euro Chad mode here in the SmartRecruiters booth.
Chad: Dude, I am totally in Euro Chad mode. I love it. I mean, this is the ChadCheese/SmartRecruitersbooth.
Joel: Yeah.
Chad: Particularly, you got Winston all over the place. You got Chad Cheese. We're up on the banner up top.
Joel: You got coffee mugs for God's sakes.
Chad: The funniest thing, well we'll talk about funny things, but Gerry Crispin came over the other day and he said, this is the coolest thing I've seen.
Joel: And he's an old fucker who knows...
Chad: And he knows.
Joel: He's seen a few things. So that is saying something.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: If you've never watched us on YouTube, this might be the episode to do it. The background, the faces. The branding is super, super cool.
Chad: Gregorio, he's hooking us up, making sure we look sexy. I love him.
Joel: Yes. Gregorio is on the other cameras, loving him.
Chad: I love it.
Joel: So we're here at HR Tech. Any any takeaways?
Chad: Yeah.
Joel: Thus far. Any stories?
Chad: I got a funny story.
Joel: Oh, okay. We love funny stories.
Chad: So yesterday here in the SmartRecruiters booth and I saw, a bunch of the employees, they were like, it was pub crawl time. And a couple of the girls said, Hey look, this is, they had like this orange drink. They're like, this is really good. Go over to Cornerstone. Check it out. You should probably get one of those. There's a long line for this thing. So I'm like, yeah, it's got to be good. So me and a couple guys we're sitting there and we're talking, we're bullshitting. We get about four away from getting one of these things. It was an Aperol Spritz.
Joel: Oh no.
Chad: I'm like, dude, I'm not doing this. I know it's very European, but I just can't. And one of the guys was like, well, they point like to the booth next door. And they're like, they've got beer right over there. I'm like, okay, fuck this. I'm gonna go get a beer. I'll see you guys in a minute. So I walk over, I see they've got beer. I'm like, Hey, I'll take an IPA, guy pops it, gives it to me. You know that they scan everybody who comes into the booth.
Joel: Oh yeah.
Chad: Guy looks at me.
Joel: You don't normally wear your badge. So I'm surprised that, it was out. Yeah.
Chad: No, I don't, they're usually in my back pocket.
Joel: Everyone. Knows you.
Chad: Anyway. Anybody.
Joel: It's such a good deal.
Chad: Anyway, dude looks me up and down and then just kind of like.
Joel: Not, in a sexual way.
Chad: Dismisses me.
Joel: Just.
Chad: Dismisses me. Then I start walking out and I have people looking at me like, what the fuck is he doing here? And I'm like, wow, this is great customer service. So then I take a couple of steps and I think I turn around and I was in the eightfold booth.
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Joel: Was it not as big as a Hawaiian island that you didn't know that you were in the eightfold booth?
Chad: Not this time.
Joel: Oh my God.
Chad: It was a different setup. Didn't look like a UFO.
Joel: We live rent free in Eightfold's head. And it's more and more, than it has been. Now, Veritone just partnered with Eightfold. Chad and Cheese sponsor Veritone. Our buddies have partnered, so they've at least done something right. Meaning Eightfold in the last two to three years. So we'll have to dig in into that one.
Chad: We'll give them that.
Joel: My shout out to SmartRecruiters. What an amazing imagery design that they've given us here. They've been more than hospitable and generous with everything. So to Lynne.
Chad: A chat with Rebecca this morning.
Joel: To Rebecca, yeah the whole team. They're Rocking the green Converse. I'm going to see if I can get a pair of those 'cause you know I've got a pair of Chuck Taylors, Chuck Taylor's from Columbus. I know you knew that. Your hometown.
Chad: Yeah. Columbus North High School.
Joel: There's got to be a statue in town or something. I don't know. But there you go.
Chad: Probably, I don't know.
Joel: Columbus claim to fame, Cummins and Chuck Taylor.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: Brett Fav has Parkinson's. Did you hear about that? That's...
Chad: Definitely heard about that. I mean, all the shots that he took and I mean, again, being in a collision sport like...
Joel: Football.
Chad: American football.
Joel: American football.
Chad: American football.
Joel: Oh, I got a story about you. If they're talking about that, go ahead.
Chad: But yeah, I mean, and we're gonna see more of this. CTEs gonna pop up more. I mean, this is gonna be really hard from an optic standpoint for the NFL moving forward. I mean, we're gonna look at do I want my kids to play in school? I mean, seriously. And they're starting to have those concussions while their brain's being developed. I know I had them being a defensive back. So yeah, I mean it's gonna be bad for optics for the NFL.
Joel: Yeah. And sad for him.
Chad: Yeah, definitely.
Joel: Whenever someone in our age range gets something, dies, whatever. Not to darken up the mood, but always hits home. But I'm gonna lighten it up now.
Chad: Okay.
Joel: Euro Chad story real quick.
Chad: Go ahead.
Joel: So everyone out there, Chad is a real estate mogul in Portugal, owns real estate there, and then he loves Europe. He's gone to the dark side.
Chad: I have one flat.
Joel: For us Americans. Yeah. See, it's a flat now. So we're in line for the elevator, not the lift, Chad, it's the elevator. And Chad goes, we're in the queue to I think Matt Alder or somebody, and somebody goes the queue, seriously. Oh my God, you've totally converted. So yeah, Euro Chad is now the default.
Chad: It's a thing.
Joel: No matter where Chad is. And the default Chad of course on this show, 24/7 365 is awesome free shit. My queue to give a quick shout out to Kiara, who actually stopped by the two founders. They're doing text recruiting done easy, and they are sponsoring our shoutouts. So shout out to them. And free shit obviously, we just sent out some beer, Aspen Tech Labs, our friends there are making that possible. Two bottles of bourbon, one Chad pick, one from me. That is our friends at Textkernel/Bullhorn.
Chad: Textkernel, baby.
Joel: And if it's your birthday, you might get some rum from plum.
Chad: Rum from plum.
S?: Can you feel the tension in the air right now. I know I can. I can feel it all the way down in my plums.
Joel: But some birthdays, we'll get to those at our next show.
Chad: Don't forget T-shirts. You're wearing the T-shirt.
Joel: T-shirts, my bad. T-shirts.
Chad: Aaron app.
Joel: If you're here at HR Tech, you're seeing some red shoes.
Chad: It's sexy. It's sexy.
Joel: Walk in the booth, one of their new promotions.
Chad: Yep.
Joel: Check that out. But yeah, big love to Aaron for that.
Chad: Real quick events. I got to hit the events because we're here.
Joel: You love events.
Chad: HR Tech. Amazing, fun. SmartRecruiters, thanks so much. We're going to be at Paradox Client board. If you haven't seen the AI sessions, go to at thesessions.ai that's right. We put together an 11 episode series that's gonna knock your fucking socks off. So if you haven't seen it, go to YouTube. You'll see it there or just go to thesessions.ai. It's killer. We're gonna go back there. We're going to record at least one more season, if not two, but it is amazing. A little teaser.
Joel: Who are some of the interviews that we have on that show?
Chad: Eileen Kovalsky from General Motors. You might've heard of that little company. We had Keith Sonderling, EEOC Commissioner at the time. He's now left. We also had Jess Rush, who is the VP of People.
Joel: People. Yep.
Chad: Yeah, people at Paradox. And then also very good friend of yours and mine, Adam Godson from recruiter to fucking CEO. Love this dude. Some amazing, amazing interviews. So you got to check that out.
Joel: Yep. I love it.
Chad: Then kids, we're going to New Orleans for HR Gumbo's first annual. They've never done this before. They're having Chad Cheese come in. Again with our friend Keith Sonderling. We're looking at the possibility of having a representative from the OFCCP on stage with us as well.
Joel: Yeah, I saw that.
Chad: Dude. You know why? 'Cause Chad and Cheese make compliance sexy.
Joel: Yes.
Chad: Especially when we're talking about AI. It is sexy and it's necessary.
Joel: And the big easy.
Chad: Yeah.
Joel: Do not confuse HR Gumbo with the HR Etouffee conference, by the way, everybody, and don't make any mistake at who's at the top of the leaderboard in fantasy football this week.
Chad: Oh Jesus.
Joel: That's right. Our friends at Factory Fix make this addiction possible. Let's run down the internationally heavy leaderboard. Number one, we got Dean, the Daddy Mack, Dean Mackrall, hailing from Australia down under. Number two, and this one makes me wanna vomit, vomit some haggis. Adam Gordon from Scotland is in the number two slot followed by action Jackson Dahlquist. Yours truly, Joel Cheeseman is in the four spot. Number five, David Stiefel of Paradox. Number six, last year's champion Deena Perro. Number seven, Jennifer Terry-Tharp. Keith Sonderling, you mentioned him earlier, he's in the eight spot, followed by you at number nine.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: Number 10, Laura Martinelli. 11, Sean Horton. Don't call him Diddy. And number 12 at the caboose is Kristi Lisbon. And that is your leaderboard for week three, Fantasy Football sponsored by Factory Fix.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: And let's get to your favourite.
Chad: Topics.
Joel: Alright, new CEOs are in the news this week. First up, Chris Forman will step down as CEO at Appcast by year end after launching the company back in 2014 with COO Matt Molinari, who's been at Appcast since 2017, taking over the top spot. But wait, Chad.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: There's more.
Chad: Uh-oh.
Joel: There is more. That's not all. Enboarder has appointed Dan Finnigan, our boy as CEO, with the mission to drive growth, leveraging his 30 years in HR tech, including leading Jobvite and filtered. Chad, what's your take on all the CEO news this week?
Chad: So on the Europe show Wednesday, we actually went pretty deep, not just the tip.
Joel: Just the tip.
Chad: Not just the tip with KKR and the move from Molinari or to Molinari from Forman. And so take a listen to that. But again, Matt Molinari is probably one of the best diplomats in our space. I mean, he really is. With KKR and everything that they've taken control, they're gonna need a diplomat, right? Not saying that Chris Forman could not have done this. I just think this is the perfect time for Chris Forman to eject. I saw Chris Forman this week. I've never seen the man happier in his life. I don't know Chris that well, but it was like.
Joel: He's distilling maple syrup back in New Hampshire I think.
Chad: He was glowing. Yeah I mean, he just looked really good and not to mention, it was funny. Somebody was like, Chris is open for all the shows now. He wants to talk to everybody. And I'm like, I'm sure he does. Because the last thing that KKR wants anybody to think is that there's going to be a quick transition. They want a slow transition because they want that face that Chris, the founder, they want him around for a while. Not that Matt is not competent, that dude is uber competent, but they wanna make sure from an optic standpoint, everything is legit and nobody questions, what the hell is happening in Appcast. Even though they've had some layoffs.
S?: Layoffs?
Chad: There will be some restructuring. There's no question from leader to leader that shit's gonna change. Not to mention again, KKR, they're reformatting on the Dan side of the house. My God. I mean, this had to be an amazing opportunity for him to get up off the couch. He must be bored and/or this is just a great problem that he knows the solution to, or at least he thinks he knows the solution to. There's no way this is gonna be easy because I don't know that Dan Finnigan would take something on that's easy. I think he likes a challenge. And again, I don't know this for sure. I definitely have to reach out to Dan. Maybe we can have him on the show, right?
Joel: Yep. Maybe Dan, come on.
Chad: But at the end of the day, Dan doesn't just get off the couch for anyone right? I'm sure he was probably a little bit bored, but he was also looking to solve a puzzle that he thinks an Onboarder can solve. He's not a dumb dude, man. He's a very, very, very smart dude.
Joel: So on Forman, if I had his bank account I think I would...
Chad: I'd been gone a long time ago.
Joel: However, I wouldn't be at HR Tech. I'd be in Key West popping some BlueChew. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'd be doing. And my number is much less than his, I promise. I promise you that. Which of these jobs would you rather have? Private equity breathing down your neck on a regular basis?
Chad: Nope.
Joel: Asking to be more efficient and cut costs and dealing with all kinds of shit with Stepstone. And you got an ad agency now tied to...
Chad: No.
Joel: God bless Matt and I hope that he has a good therapist and he's got good meds. 'Cause he may need both of the above. I think you frame that perfectly and you know Matt better than I do. It's a tough job, dude. I don't envy him. On the Finnigan thing. A little funny story. I met Dan when he was at Hot Jobs. This was probably '05, '06. I was doing Cheezhead and a little known fact about me, Chad. I was the first blogger to ever get a media pass to the SHRM National show. Which was compliments of Gerry Crispin who vouched for me and got me in. And somehow I was able to get Dan Finnigan to interview with me Cheezhead. And I remember Gerry told me that Dan came up to him and said, is this Cheesman guy on the level? And Gerry vouched for me. So kudos to him. Dan had a whole team with him back in the Yahoo days. He had a group of people with him.
Chad: Entourage.
Joel: So I've known Dan for quite a while. I've appreciated his work. He took a really interesting leap to go from Hot Jobs to Jobvite, which although is well known in our industry today, no one knew shit about Jobvite. And people like me were asking, why in the fuck would Dan Finnigan take this job at Jobvite.
Chad: A problem?
Joel: Now, if you've listened to the show, you know how that ended? Jobvite ended up getting acquired. Dan I'm sure is doing very well. Also, he's on a few boards, he's on some advisory boards and I think just regular boards. But he ended up going to a company called Filtered. You would be okay forgetting that he ever was at Filtered because there wasn't a lot that went on during his tenure except layoffs.
Chad: Layoffs.
Joel: The head count has gone about half of what it was. They raised about $10 million in 2022, which I assume was part of get a real CEO, get someone on board that knows this thing. But they have wilted for sure. Let me see Filtered. This is how they sell themselves. Filtered is an AI infused hiring platform that changes how companies evaluate and hire top talent while empowering qualified candidates. Yeah, I'm falling asleep. Just reading that.
Chad: Is that where Dan just was?
Joel: Yes. That's ridi...
Chad: No shit, and again, I had no fucking clue. And he's a big name.
Joel: Yes.
Chad: He's a big get.
Joel: Yes.
Chad: Okay.
Joel: Yes.
Chad: There you have it.
Joel: So a new start for Dan. Enboarder, founded in 2015 by a former monster guy, Brent Pearson. I don't know if you worked with him.
Chad: No, I know him.
Joel: Down in Australia. They basically kind of automate the onboarding process. They put video in and all that shit. So they have raised $50 million. That is a good opportunity. Organic growth at that company is on par with what it should be. I think Dan is going to take that company to the next level and really get people to notice, unlike Filtered where even we didn't really notice what was happening. So I don't know what's gonna happen to Brent, who was the former CEO. I don't know if he's gonna be a chairman or just a figurehead at this point. But yeah, Enboarder is doing great things. We don't hear a lot about them being in Australia, but happy for Dan, happy for Matt. I hope he's getting paid because he's gonna need a lot of Tylenol dealing with the owners.
Chad: They're coming to the US. You don't take a guy like Dan Finnigan in a very small ass market like Australia and not look at the US.
Joel: Yes.
Chad: I mean, especially with a guy like Dan. Right?
Joel: No question. No question.
Chad: Okay, can't wait Dan.
Joel: Let's take a quick break and we'll talk about Mercor.
Chad: Okay.
Joel: Chad, speaking of companies you've never heard of, was Mercor on your radar?
Chad: It was not. It sounded familiar, but I think that's because it was so close to Mercer.
Joel: Yeah. It can be mistaken for a lot of companies in our space. Well, Mercor is an AI hiring platform, and they've raised $30 million in a series, around valley wing at 250 million big ones led by benchmark with notable investors like Peter Thiel and your boy Jack Dorsey. The startup touts itself as an AI powered platform that sources vets and pays your next employees. Chad, Mercor, what you got?
Chad: Yeah. Anything that Thiel's involved in. I mean, I'm not a big fan of, although it sounds like a great platform because it's AI interviewing. I've seen somewhat demos and seen some of their PR. It can be really cool not to have structured interviews. The problem with not having structured interviews is that the AI can treat somebody much differently than the next. That could prospectively be seen as bias. That's a problem. So there could be an issue with an organisation who doesn't really, they're not steeped in HR. They're steeped in Bro culture and Silicon Valley and that kind of money. I mean, it's great they get that money, but you have to understand the regulations.
Chad: You have to understand the process methodology, have to understand it all to be able to ensure that you can deliver something that doesn't get your clients in hot water from a governmental enforcement standpoint. So from my standpoint, $30 million is because you have these big names behind it, and that's the reason. None of this sounds like it's actually applicable to our space, which is unfortunate. I mean, can you tweak it to make it where it is more structured? Yes. But then you just become like everybody else. And the way that they sold this, I guaranfuckingtee you was Peter Thiel and AI, right? Unstructured AI. To me, that's the downfall of this organisation, unfortunately. I mean, that's.
Joel: You dumbass.
Chad: That's a lot of money. 30 million.
Joel: Peter Thiel. Don't listen to Chad. We love you. We want you on the show. It'd be a great interview if we could land Peter Thiel.
Chad: I would love to have Peter Thiel in the show.
Joel: That would be great. Jack Dorsey, maybe not. And he's a little bit too soft spoken, a little too Zen.
Chad: He would say nothing.
Joel: We'd have to have some incense.
Chad: He would say nothing.
Joel: Yeah. He would say nothing but say it very softly and in a way that makes him sound more intelligent than us. We have not had, there was a time where all these companies were out of San Francisco.
Chad: Yeah.
Joel: The names, the investors, the companies, the startups, the kids, the Y Combinators. That's a day I kind of miss. They're all from all over the place now. It's good to have a good old San Francisco based old school, Peter Thiel, Jack Dorsey, all the names. All the names that you know and love starting a business in our space. This to me looks like it's all about global workforce. It's one application. We'll throw your shit into a bunch of tech companies resume databases.
Chad: It's a fucking nightmare.
Joel: Which appeals to the global audience of techies, who by the way, are getting AI'd out of business in a lot of ways. So they're going to flood to this site, which I assume they're marketing it to the right people and applying to many, many companies that have signed up for this job. So they're playing it as a custom, a concierge experience. Apply once and you apply to all these tech companies. What a sales pitch to a global audience that is looking for that American money, that Silicon Valley cash to flock to this site in a big way. The numbers are pretty impressive. Last two years, 840% headcount increase. The money's there. The head count's there.
Chad: They had a startup. They went from two to what I mean 150. I mean.
Joel: That wasn't data that crossed my desk. Chad, I'm gonna have to ask Grok what's going on there.
Chad: When they use percentages, that's usual bullshit.
Joel: Either way, Silicon Valley, it's big names. It's big money. It's fun for podcasters to talk about.
Chad: It is. No, it is.
Joel: So have another Corona and...
Chad: It's a mess.
Joel: And watch Mercor. Either. Yeah. Either die a blazing death or become the next big thing. We'll talk about it either way. Let's take a quick break, get another beer maybe, and talk about your favourite, Amazon. Chad, I think you might turn on Amazon.
Chad: You're trying to bring me out of my Euro Chad zone. You're bringing Amazon.
Joel: You might be into this.
Chad: Peter Thiel, Jesus.
Joel: You might be into this. This isn't peeing in trash cans. This isn't. That's alright, here we go. Amazon recently announced that hourly members of its frontline team will receive a pay raise that will increase their average base wage to more than $22 per hour. And their average total compensation to more than $29 per hour. The company will spend more than 2.2 billion on the pay hikes as part of the pay raise. Amazon will also also, also Chad, there's more to the story. They'll give you Amazon Prime account to all those hourly employees. In case you're wondering that Amazon Prime account totals $139 per year in benefits. Chad, did you and Amazon just become best friends?
Chad: No. Although I love the whole giving your product to the individuals who are working for you. I mean, that just becomes more enduring, right? I mean, you become a part of, it's like, yes, I've got this. I get to watch my Amazon Prime. I get my stuff faster. I mean, you become more of the ecosystem. That makes sense. I love that. Every company should do that, right? If I'm working for a Chewy, I should get free at least one free delivery a month, right? For my dogs or my cats or what have you. Anyway, I think that's incredibly smart.
Joel: That should be a layup for companies.
Chad: That is too fucking easy. But when it comes down to pay $22 an hour, what's happening at Amazon is that they're having huge attrition issues. We've seen that. There was a letter that was leaked that they were losing $8 billion to the bottom line just in attrition. Not to mention they're also burning out all the way through, burning through the workforce. And some of those locations where they're at, they've got to do something, right? $22 might not be enough. So yeah, I think this is something that you can't just continue to pay people more to do a shitty job. You've got to change the job. And I think they will do that through automation, Andy Jassy, a lot of those things. But also you have to think of the corporate kind of mindset where Jassy's like, Hey, look, where there's no more remote work, right? I mean, so there's contrary thought happening here on whether they really give a shit about the employees or they don't. And at the end of the day, if it boils down to giving away Amazon Prime, like you said, it's a layup. To me, it's more optics than it is anything else, unfortunately.
Joel: So I have a story about my Kid.
Chad: Oh, cool. He's not pissing in a garbage can. Is he?
Joel: Not on my watch, but...
Chad: Okay. Hopefully not on Amazon's watch either.
Joel: All my kids are doing a lot of shit I don't see, I'm sure. He works at a fast food restaurant called Culver's. If you're in the Midwest, you've probably eaten there, or at least know the name. And they give him a 50% off meal deal.
Chad: Easy.
Joel: Yeah, totally easy. And they were threatening recently to take it away at his location because of cost cutting measures, etcetera. The uproar. The uproar from, yeah, I mean, it's...
Chad: You can't take something away.
Joel: In this case, you're just sending everyone to Taco Bell or Burger King or wherever. So you're basically helping your competition in lieu of screwing your employees. So I do agree, although this is a layup, it's not a big expense for Amazon. It's not $139 for Amazon for this. It's probably pennies to do this. It's a layup and it means a lot to the employees.
Chad: $13.90 cents, maybe.
Joel: So I do like that move. It's very interesting that this news came out right after the whole Andy Jassy. We're cutting all our engineering staff. We don't need engineers anymore. So a little good news for them. After all, the engineers were pissed off. I mean, they upped minimum wage in 2018. By the way, Chad minimum wage is still $7.25 on a federal level.
Chad: Fuck me, Jesus.
Joel: By the way, we're not talking about that in debates or anywhere on the stump speeches, which is a disgrace frankly. They went to 15 in 2018, now they're 22. It's hard to hate on that. It's hard to be mad at that.
Chad: Got to do it.
Joel: Enjoy the pay increase folks, because the robots are coming to replace your ass just like the engineers. But for now, at least, this is a good little, if you're in small town America, 22 bucks is a pretty good deal.
Chad: If there's a Amazon warehouse in small town America. Yeah. But again, they've burnt through the working population there. So what they're trying to do is yank them back. Better, instead of better working conditions. They're like, instead of 15, we'll pay you 22. What do you say? What do you say?
Joel: They've ran out of workers. So they got to boomerang people back or get new people. They're like, eh...
Chad: But they're only doing it with money.
Joel: I'm doing Target, not you guys.
Chad: Yes.
Joel: It's not at the goodness of their heart that they're doing this. It's out of necessity.
Chad: Yeah. Don't be fooled.
Joel: And speaking of out of necessity, Chad, are you ready for your dad joke of the week?
Chad: Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Joel: It's not related to anything we talked about because we're on the road and we're not as prepared as we typically are. But this is one that my 7-year-old Jeremy told me recently, and I thought it was pretty good. Why should you always knock on the fridge door before opening it? Why should you knock on the fridge door before opening it?
Chad: I have no clue.
Joel: Because you might catch the salad dressing.
[laughter]
Chad: Jeremy needs to tell more dad jokes.
Joel: We are live from the SmartRecruiters booth at HR Tech. Be back to our regularly scheduled locations next week. Chad, that is another one in the can, we out.
Chad: We out.
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