Allison King, VP of People Operations at Sound Physicians, shares her experience and insights on job searching and personal branding on LinkedIn. She emphasizes the importance of creating a strong LinkedIn profile and being active on the platform to build a professional network and showcase your skills and interests.
Allison also discusses her approach to job applications, including reaching out to connections for support and leveraging LinkedIn Jobs. She highlights the value of being strategic in your outreach and making specific requests for assistance. Additionally, Alison shares her thoughts on job boards and the application process, recommending a focus on LinkedIn for professionals and entry level jobs, new grads alike.
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Joel (00:23.889)
OOOOH YEEEEEEAHHH!
Joel (00:28.443)
Yeah, what's up kids? It's your favorite guilty pleasure aka the Chad and cheese podcast. I'm your co host Joel Cheeseman joined as always, my co pilot Chad sewage is in the house as we welcome Alison King VP of people operations at sound physicians Alison welcome to HR is most dangerous podcast.
Allison King (00:49.224)
Thank you so much. Happy to be here.
Joel (00:52.665)
Happy to have you now, a lot of our.
Chad (00:52.842)
What was that? What was that dance, Cheeseman? What was that dance? That was interesting. We're not on video, so you wasted it.
Joel (00:57.157)
That was kind of my Michael Jackson meets Corey. That's my Corey Feldman, Corey Feldman dance. Minus minus the parachute pant jacket. I don't know what that thing was called back in the day. Allison, welcome to the show. A lot of our listeners won't know you give us give us a little Twitter bio little elevator pitch on who is Allison.
Chad (01:06.761)
Yes.
Allison King (01:10.99)
Thank you. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. My name is Alison King. I live in Western Massachusetts. And yeah, my life is really revolving around my three and a half year old son who is just pure chaos. So that is where a lot of my energy goes, but
Yeah, I live in the beautiful state of Massachusetts over by the mountains and the hills. love hiking. I love camping. I love being outdoors. We were talking earlier about the cooler weather. Excited about that.
Chad (01:51.844)
You live in the state of chaos, Allison. Let's just put it that way. You have a three year old, they're running at this point. They're not walking. They're running. yes. yeah. You're in the, you're in the state of chaos. It's a good thing you are in Vermont because the only thing that you have to worry about is possibly bears and deer.
Allison King (01:54.894)
Yes. yeah, three year old boy. Yes, exactly. I'm in the thick of it. Massachusetts.
Joel (01:56.997)
Yeah, three year olds are.
Joel (02:10.929)
Falling for fall where she is going to be beautiful. This must be an exciting time of the year. September, October. Damn. Lucky you.
Allison King (02:11.244)
Yeah, right.
Chad (02:14.493)
yeah.
Allison King (02:14.794)
It is. Yes. Yes, the leaves are kind of starting to change already, which is crazy, but super pumped. Woohoo! Yeah, I do.
Joel (02:21.625)
and you have a new job, which is exciting.
Chad (02:25.556)
Well, yeah, and let me set this up though. Let me set this up, kids. So we talk about talent acquisition all the time. And we do it from the standpoint of being talent leaders, technology leaders, and so on and so forth, and what we think the candidates want, right? Well, when we get a chance to be on the other side of the fence, that's that to me, being an insider's look to what the hell is going on out there. And Allison got
Joel (02:28.581)
Yep, set it up.
Allison King (02:42.114)
Mm -hmm.
Chad (02:54.078)
that opportunity. It's not a fun opportunity, but it did end up well, which is great. So we wanted to bring you on to talk about that journey, about all the things that you learned as a TA professional looking for a job in TA and HR. And then, you know, really some of the pros, cons, some of the things that, you know, you would do now, possibly different as a TA leader from a tech stack standpoint, from a human standpoint, and those types of things.
Joel (02:56.465)
Mm -hmm.
Allison King (02:56.724)
No. You're good. Yeah.
Joel (03:18.801)
Hmm.
Chad (03:23.07)
So that's just kind of the setup kids. And that's why we wanted to have Allison on. So start, give us, give us the story Allison. Where, where did it all start?
Allison King (03:27.663)
Right. Yeah, for sure. So I will correct you on people operations, not TA, but partner very closely with TA and handle a lot of that ops. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean,
Chad (03:34.107)
Okay, that's big. It's actually bigger. That's bigger than TAS.
Allison King (03:44.302)
My journey has been pretty crazy in the last four years. I have had the unfortunate, task of helping organizations downsize a lot. So I've seen about 6 ,000 people laid off, throughout the different companies I've worked with. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, I've had great perspective from.
Chad (04:03.561)
Ouch.
Allison King (04:09.036)
the people operations side of things, the HR side where we're really helping these folks who are trying to transition into new opportunities. And when it came to be my time, one, I was very shocked. Even if you know everything going on in an organization, I still was very surprised by it. And, you know, the first thing I thought to myself is what do I do from here? Where am I going to go?
What is my mindset really? And so I had to take a pause for a few days. I wasn't allowed to announce my elimination just due to different areas of the organization needing to be notified and everything beforehand. And so I had a little bit of time to kind of think through my approach and
Chad (04:56.052)
Mm
Allison King (05:02.442)
I've been just so active on LinkedIn as a participant and someone who's reading posts and really trying to find people or LinkedIn influencers that I really resonate with. And through that, I felt like I need to have a little bit more of a presence of what my thought processes are and what I enjoy doing and what my passions are.
Chad (05:23.839)
Mm -hmm.
Allison King (05:27.47)
From there, I kind of tried to just make a brand for myself. I had also an opportunity to actually, I had an open role for my team, my previous team, for a PeopleOps generalist about a month prior to me being eliminated. And I saw firsthand just 2000 applicants coming in in two days trying to fill this role.
Chad (05:45.438)
Mm
Allison King (05:56.602)
And my partner in TA and I just reading through all of these resumes, what stands out? What are, what am I looking for as a hiring manager? And I kind of flipped that role for myself. What is this hiring manager looking for and how can I make myself more visible and also more appealing? And so that started with my resume. What am I looking to do on my resume? How can I make that a little bit better?
Joel (05:56.859)
Hmm.
Allison King (06:21.134)
What is my presence on LinkedIn? How many followers do I have? How many posts have I had recently? And so through all of this short period of time, I was able to, with help of ChatGPT, my best friend, create a LinkedIn post that really kind of skyrocketed a bit. had, for me at least, it had over 500 ,000 impressions, 300 ,000 views and
That is really where everything kind of kickstarted with my journey as a job seeker. And it was overwhelming and exciting at the same time. And I had the opportunity to really be able to be specific with where I want to go and look inward at my own values and where do I want to, you know, find my, I want to find my values in another organization. I'm not just going to go pick and choose the first thing that comes my way.
Joel (07:19.281)
Say more about the chat, chat GPT being your best friend. How did, did you, did you just say, write this for me? Did you write it and say, clean it up, give it some comedic overtones? Like talk about how you use chat GPT at the beginning.
Chad (07:19.327)
Mm
Allison King (07:19.693)
So that's.
Allison King (07:23.294)
Yes. No.
Allison King (07:31.224)
Great question. Yeah, so I always say this is a very odd thing, but I have my degree in mathematics. I'm a numbers person. I like data. am not by any means an English major. I don't write well. And so chat GPT is always helping me with how can I make something sound better? And so with chat GPT, actually had my own
chat designated to job search and I would just kind of talk to it like a human and so it would know exactly what my tone is, what I do. It helped me with just crafting different ways of saying things to put on my resume and it's definitely not a here please create a template for me and how can I you know look better online but it really got to know me as a person.
Joel (08:04.241)
Mm
Joel (08:21.968)
Mm
Allison King (08:26.05)
which sounds kind of weird, but you know, my tone, how I speak. And so then it helped me with taking just brain dumps of information and making it sound good. And so it helped me with creating posts online on LinkedIn. helped me with drafting just different bullet points on my resume and creating questions or bouncing ideas off of it for interviews. So was huge help in that aspect.
Chad (08:53.854)
Did you redo your entire LinkedIn and resume using chat GPT?
Allison King (09:00.142)
No, so I always keep my LinkedIn profile up to date. So wherever I start, try and do, you know, a little synopsis, little summary of, you know, my role at the company and the different experience places on LinkedIn. But so my LinkedIn is usually pretty up to date. It's the resume that I had to do some tweaking with.
And one thing with a resume that can get really overwhelming is as soon as that green banner goes up, you are inundated with people trying to get your business with writing your resume and, you know, helping you find a job. And it is just like, I don't want to spend my money doing this right now. I just lost my job. and so yeah, it was, it was helpful. Yeah.
Chad (09:41.578)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chad (09:49.332)
Right.
Joel (09:54.131)
Can we talk about the green badge real quick? Because there's a lot of debate about.
Allison King (09:57.793)
Yeah, yeah,
Chad (09:57.834)
Yeah, because you said 500 ,000 impressions. Do you think turning that on helped you?
Allison King (10:03.47)
100 % I do. I know a lot of people think it looks desperate, but I don't think so. I think if a company is looking at me as desperate for putting myself out there, then I don't want to work there, in my opinion. yeah, think that people, if they're recruiters looking out at others for maybe a job posting that hasn't been out there yet, it's not public, and they're trying to look.
Joel (10:05.361)
because...
Joel (10:30.832)
Mm
Allison King (10:31.896)
first before they post it, they're going to start looking at those open to work things instead of poaching first. And that's how they know. If you're open to work and they don't have a green banner there to see, then it's a little bit more difficult.
Joel (10:44.667)
Did people reach out to you specifically because of the banner or was it all like recruiters and resume writers and people that wanted to take your money?
Allison King (10:53.6)
I think it was a combination of the green banner and the posts that I did along with it. So yeah, so I didn't just do a random post. did everything in my post. had, you know, obviously I'm open to work, but these are the things that I'm proud of for my last job. I think that's lacking in a lot of job seekers, you know, announcements of looking for employment is they're saying they're available, but they're not saying, you know, what have I done specifically that would be.
Joel (10:58.713)
Okay.
Allison King (11:23.276)
you know, attractive to a new company. And so I think the combination of the green banner with that post really kind of took off.
Chad (11:31.7)
about content creation because you actually talked about being a content creator. Do you think now that I guess just pretty much the landscape that we're in that you have to be almost like a continuous content creator? It doesn't have to be three or four posts a day but it has to be fairly regular. Is that something that you believe that you have to do to continue to build your own brand just in case?
Allison King (11:34.531)
Yes.
Allison King (11:54.894)
I think it's helpful. Do you have to do it? Maybe not if you have a large network that you are constantly reaching out to. I don't have the energy for that, to be honest. I'm not someone who loves to go to networking events and talk to 20 people in an hour. So I felt as kind of in...
Chad (12:04.286)
Mm -hmm.
Allison King (12:17.994)
extroverted introvert that I would rather just post and put it out there so people can see. And I was posting probably two to three times a week and ChatGPT helped me and the scheduling of LinkedIn helped me as well. You know, I have a three year old, I can't just be on social media all the time. So having those scheduled was really helpful as well.
Joel (12:41.423)
Any, any tips you have on the content creation side? Did you tag companies or tag people to sort of get more awareness? you, did you comment on other people's posts at companies that you wanted to work for? Like talk, go kind of deep on not just posting an article, but tagging and commenting and what your strategy was around there are tips that you would give job seekers.
Allison King (12:45.708)
Yeah.
Allison King (13:01.869)
Yeah.
Allison King (13:07.2)
Absolutely. yeah, commenting is huge. So I for sure would go to other companies that I was looking at and make comments. I requested connections with people higher up that I would work with and send them a message saying, you know, hey, I applied to this role really interested and kind of talk a little bit about myself. But to me, think, and I say,
Chad (13:07.593)
deep.
Joel (13:08.401)
Go deep.
Allison King (13:34.99)
create content because I think it's getting yourself out there. It's creating your brand. You're showing what you're passionate about and what ideas you have and the work that you can do. And I think that that shows kind of an example of your work in a way to others that maybe networking doesn't really show. But I think also commenting on my own post saying,
Chad (13:46.772)
Mm -hmm.
Allison King (14:01.762)
Thank you. That actually gets you more views and that gets you more impressions and everything. And you're showing up on more people's threads because you're actually commenting on your own post.
Joel (14:11.505)
So replying to people who commented, like make sure you say thank you and you keep the conversation going. That's a good tip too. Yeah.
Allison King (14:16.332)
Yes. Keep the conversation going. Exactly.
Chad (14:23.326)
So let's talk a little bit about the prop. Go ahead, go good.
Joel (14:23.665)
How about other forms of...
Joel (14:27.825)
How about other forms of, how about other platforms? Were you on TikTok posting videos? Were you on Instagram and other other social or were you like laser focused on LinkedIn?
Allison King (14:37.664)
laser focused on LinkedIn. And you have to realize that this was just a really short period of time. So within a week, I had nine companies that I was interviewing with. so, and within three weeks I had three offers. And so I didn't necessarily need to go on the different platforms. I don't have TikTok. I have Instagram, but that's really a personal thing. I use all of my professional social media on LinkedIn. But that's.
Joel (14:39.332)
Okay.
Chad (14:44.251)
Mm
Allison King (15:06.636)
You know, on Instagram, there's Upwork is a company that's going kind of viral with all of their TikToks and everything. And, know, commenting with them and getting yourself out there on their comments. So other people are seeing, and so utilizing other organizations as well that are kind of going viral.
Chad (15:23.188)
So you said three weeks, nine companies, three offers. Let's talk a little bit about the process because I'm sure those nine companies, I'm sure all the companies, but definitely those nine companies had different processes. What did you learn from that? What would you take away from that? And what will you try to institute within your new organization?
Allison King (15:36.11)
Absolutely.
Allison King (15:40.931)
Mm -hmm.
Allison King (15:45.814)
Yeah, absolutely. I've gone through interview, actually to get to my last role that I was in for two years, I had to talk to nine different people and that was exhausting. Yeah. So even though I did get that role, it's very stressful to go through such a long interview process and that's a director role. So it's leadership and not necessarily executive where you're really needing to meet with every single person.
Chad (15:57.566)
Wow. my god.
Allison King (16:14.71)
so going into this job search, I'm like, if I have to meet with nine people that might not be worth it for me. But also there's a role for a head of people for more of a startup company. And they wanted me to do a whole presentation and kind of like a work, example and presented to their executive team. And I have thoughts about, you know, doing free work.
in an interview process, you know, I think it's, yeah, I think it's bullshit to be honest. Yeah, it's, you know, if you want, can do, you can understand the person and how they work and you can see what they do through their LinkedIn if they're, know, active on it or other platforms.
Chad (16:46.548)
Tell us about those thoughts. I want to hear those thoughts. There we go. Thank you, Allison. Thank you. Yes.
Joel (16:51.323)
Say the quiet part out loud. There you go.
Allison King (17:11.756)
where you don't need me to do an entire project and presentation for you for free that you could potentially take and enroll with. And so that's free work for me. And that's kind of a big no -no. So if you're looking for me to do some free work for you, I'm probably not gonna do it and I'm gonna move on to my next opportunity. Yeah. Yeah.
Chad (17:22.029)
huh.
Joel (17:32.357)
Yeah. Let's talk about outreach. Outreach for a second. I get people that message me that I know. And it's like, Hey, I'm looking for a job. If you, if you come across something, let me know. And that, that seems really not very strategic to me. Like come to me with, I see that, know, someone at such and such company that has a job opening that I'm interested in and like,
Chad (17:33.546)
Yeah, that's.
Allison King (17:50.636)
No. Yeah.
Joel (17:58.149)
So talk to me about your outreach strategy and what tips you would give. And I hope obviously not just, just blast your network and say, Hey, I'm looking for a job. Help me out. Like be more strategic about that. Hopefully.
Allison King (18:08.593)
Right. Exactly. Yeah. So I reached out to folks specifically that I worked with at my last position. So there was some time before I signed off officially. And so I had talked to people and, you know, people asked, how can I help you? You know, all of that. And my specific request was
I'm going to post something, please repost it. I'll send you the link and I just want you to repost it. I want to get those views. so share that to your network. And if there's a position that I see that I want to apply for and we have a mutual connection, I'll let you know. I'm not going to, as you said, of false flat. Hey, let me know if you see anything. Well, that's not, sorry, even if...
you know, we've worked together for a long time. You might not be the first thing that I think of when I see something just scroll through my LinkedIn. So you have to be kind of more pointed. I also, I'm lucky to have worked for a company for nine years early in my career that has a really tight alumni group. And so we have a shared Slack channel. So I posted on that and I asked, yeah, I said, you know,
Chad (19:22.291)
Nice.
Allison King (19:25.152)
I know I've worked with you for, you know, we haven't, it hasn't been a while, but, or it has been a while, but, you know, can you share on LinkedIn? I don't know if people were your recommendations. I do as a hiring manager, but, can you write a recommendation for me on LinkedIn? Just talk about something specific. And I've had three people write recommendations for me on LinkedIn. And so, you know, just those little things that are more pointed and specific asks instead of, you know, the general.
Joel (19:42.171)
Hmm.
Allison King (19:54.882)
Hey, help me out was very helpful, I think.
Joel (19:58.371)
I love that. That's awesome.
Chad (19:58.974)
Talk about the technology a little bit. In applying for the job, was it a hassle, was it a pain in ass, or was it actually a pretty good experience?
Allison King (20:03.564)
You
Allison King (20:09.846)
Yeah, some good, some bad. think there's still organizations using, like they're not sparsing their resumes. So you have to rewrite. And sometimes I'd say, you know what, this isn't worth my time. I don't really feel like putting all of my resume that you see right here into your application, your ATS. But.
Chad (20:18.271)
Nah.
Allison King (20:34.7)
I think that a lot of companies are coming a long way with that. So being able to just click the button on LinkedIn. Ashby has a really great ATS where it's wonderful from both sides, from the applicant and the hiring manager and the recruiting team. I'll give them a shout out because we worked with them at my previous company and they are wonderful to work with and they're very inclusive. So.
We were talking about how I hadn't changed my last name from marriage for, two years. And they actually have a section that says preferred last name. I've been going professionally by Alison King for, you know, almost two years now. And so just to have that reflected in the application was. It did not break the system. No. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Didn't break the system.
Chad (21:22.952)
And it didn't break the system. Wait a minute. It didn't break the system like, LinkedIn. Okay. Okay.
Joel (21:30.38)
boy.
Allison King (21:31.596)
And then that, you know, you have your work days and the things that you have to sign up and create a username for every single company you work for. that gets a little old, but when you're applying for a larger company, probably work day. Yeah. I would say so I am a workday user. I'm about to go implement work day at my, at my sound physicians. And so I, you know, it's exciting, but
Joel (21:42.725)
What was your least favorite ATS to deal with? What was your least favorite ATS?
Okay.
Allison King (22:00.354)
their ATS needs a little work in my opinion.
Chad (22:04.202)
Yeah, I think what has happened and I'm definitely not going to make any excuses for work that that's for damn sure. But what I think is happening with technology and we've seen this for well over a decade now is that a company will, they will get a piece of tech and then they will set it and forget it, right? And then during that timeframe, new process methodologies, new features, new partnerships, those things actually pop up and we still have the 10 -year -old
Allison King (22:28.163)
Right.
Chad (22:33.374)
version and then we start bitching about that version. You know what I mean? So I would suggest everybody else that's out there, whether it's workday or it's no matter what system it is, right? Always try to stay abreast of the new functionality that's happening out there because it was funny today, actually yesterday, Rebecca Carr was announced as the CEO of Smart Recruiters and somebody actually said in a thread, well, I wish it would do X, Y and Z. A customer
Allison King (22:36.555)
Right.
Allison King (22:46.764)
Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Mm -hmm.
Chad (23:02.314)
of smart recruiters, not a employee. A customer said, we do that. Give me a call. I'll show you how we do it. So I mean, I think there are some great opportunities, much like you said, like with the alumni group, also with those customer groups to be able to share best practices so you don't find yourself with a relic of a system.
Allison King (23:22.956)
Right. Absolutely. And Workday has some really great resources with community and you know, all of, there's such a big network of people that can help you with that. It is just such a large system where you need, you know, the, all of the roles behind the scenes to do those updates. Yeah.
Chad (23:31.944)
Mm
Chad (23:36.86)
yeah.
Joel (23:42.385)
One the things I really fascinating about this, Allison, is it, it it's job search. I don't want to call it 2 .0 maybe, but the way that you sort of took this on is I'm going to create content. I'm going to do it on a platform where people are looking to hire folks. I'm going to be engaged on this platform and the laser focus. If we had asked someone 10, 15 years ago, the strategy would have been like, how many job boards did I go to? How many resumes did I send out? Like.
It's just a very different way to think about it, but I have to assume that you did go to job boards. So I want to know like your thoughts on the most effective ones, your experience there, was it painful? it convenient? Like talk about your job board experience.
Allison King (24:25.366)
I actually didn't go to job boards. I stuck in LinkedIn. Yeah. So.
Joel (24:27.931)
Wow.
Chad (24:29.438)
There we go. There we go.
Allison King (24:33.344)
And I think that's my experience as hiring someone on my team the month before is there is like Indeed, for example, Indeed will create a resume for you from your profile. And as a hiring manager, those were so painful to read. And I just, and I think maybe I took my experience as a hiring manager and said, you know what, I, these weren't
Chad (24:44.81)
Mm
Allison King (25:01.998)
the group or the, yeah, it wasn't the group of individuals I was looking for that were coming in from Indeed. And so I chose not to use that platform. And I'm not saying that's not useful for others. just, you know, I was looking for more of a leadership role.
Joel (25:19.131)
So was the applications from the outreach on LinkedIn? Yes, we have a job. You need to go apply to it. So you went directly to the company site based on someone saying, go there. Your jobs weren't or your postings weren't going to, I'm fascinated that you didn't go to one job board, especially as a professional. So you never thought about like lazy apply. Did you look into that? What are your thoughts on like sort of this machine gunning your resume to everyone? Any thoughts on that?
Allison King (25:41.07)
I
Allison King (25:48.302)
So I mean, I used LinkedIn jobs. So I guess that would be the job board that I used. And so I was searching for open roles on LinkedIn. And that's usually what I did. So whether it was I had to apply through LinkedIn, through the little click, or it would direct me to directly to the site.
Joel (26:06.299)
Yeah, very different, very different. You're a professional, you have a network of hundreds, maybe thousands. They don't show you on LinkedIn. Feel free to tell us how many people you're connected to, but there are going to be a lot of new grads, a lot of young people that maybe come across this podcast or looking for information and advice. What advice would you give to someone that maybe doesn't have?
Allison King (26:09.208)
Yeah.
Allison King (26:15.842)
Mm -hmm. Over two dozen. Yes.
Joel (26:30.253)
a large network or have a good footprint already in LinkedIn? should they immediately at what age should you start getting your footprint on LinkedIn for the time that you do get laid off? Talk about talk, talk to the new grads about what they should do.
Allison King (26:42.392)
Great question. Yeah, I mean, I think in college, LinkedIn wasn't a thing when I was in college, or if it was, I wasn't aware of it at the time. you know, I think
when you're starting to figure out where you want to go and what you want to do with your degree or maybe not with your degree, wherever you're planning on going, create that LinkedIn and start networking. Networking doesn't necessarily mean that you have to go talk to all these different people and have coffee dates with 20 folks in six months. It's just connecting, sharing your content or not, reading content.
commenting on it. think just being active and showing your interests is helpful. And this is, I will say this is more from an HR lens and, you know, the lens of roles where you have people and you can learn on LinkedIn. LinkedIn's a great tool with, you education. They have trainings and LinkedIn learning that you can go to. And I think that's a huge tool for, for grads or younger folks in their career.
Chad (27:34.076)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Allison King (27:54.368)
as well as just connecting with people. As soon as I started saying, you know what, I don't need to know everyone that I'm connected with on a personal level. I just want to see what they're all about with their content on employment law or something along those lines. just being present in that I think is really helpful. And so I would say,
Get a LinkedIn account as soon as you can and once you start learning about where you want to go. And even if you're not a content creator, an influencer, anything like that, it's still just a helpful tool with educating yourself and learning about all the different roles that you could go to and what your career path could look like.
Joel (28:42.161)
Great advice, great advice. All right, everyone, that is Alison King. She's the new VP of People Operations at Sound Physicians. Alison, for our listeners who want to know more about you or Connect, where would you send them? I'm going to guess LinkedIn, but go ahead and let me know.
Chad (28:44.369)
Excellent.
Allison King (28:47.128)
Awesome.
Chad (28:51.914)
Woohoo!
Allison King (28:53.197)
Now.
Allison King (28:58.638)
You got it. Yep. LinkedIn. My URL is Allison H King. So, you know, a little LinkedIn address, Allison H King.
Chad (29:00.116)
Duh.
Chad (29:10.686)
Very nice. build your personal brand, Cheeseman. Build that brand.
Joel (29:10.737)
There you go, love it.
Allison King (29:15.03)
Do it.
Joel (29:15.983)
My brand is in trouble. I don't think, I think it's beyond repair at this point. As, as, as job boards might be according to Alison, not one job board did she visit. All right, Chad, that is another one in the can. We out.
Allison King (29:32.686)
Thank